Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, May 24, 2021< ^ >
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[03:02:06] <tetrislife> malloc: [you left, but still] just curiosity. Is there a reason you are using Devuan? I mean, I use it (and antix) but I also know there will be 1 or 2 initial jitters installing anything not in their repositories, because most software is only tested against Ubuntu/Redhat/Debian, maybe OpenSuSE.
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[07:44:04] <spla> how can I delete all room history messages? one of my ejabberd server rooms got spammed with many urls and I wondering if is possible to remove them
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[07:44:54] <spla> versión is 21.04 by the way
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[07:46:02] <Licaon_Kter> spla: should be possible iirc
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[08:02:20] <spla> just destroyed the room and recreate it but the spam lines are still there
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[08:03:58] <prefiks> maybe changing history size in room config to 0 and back will help?
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[09:42:32] <spla> clear_archive_on_room_destroy: true | false -> Whether to destroy message archive of a room (see mod_muc) when it gets destroyed. The default value is true.
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[09:42:40] <spla> 🤔
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[09:51:16] <Holger> Sure it's not the client that saved the history?
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[09:54:54] <spla> I'm using Siskin IM 6.4. It does that?
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[09:56:48] <Licaon_Kter> spla: yes, Message Archive in Settings
[09:57:13] <spla> oh, let me check, thanks
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[10:15:59] <Giovanni> Hello, I have some questions on ejabberd and multiple (virtual) hosts. What is (if there is) the max number of hosts managed by a single ejabberd node?
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[10:21:44] <Giovanni> I need to better understand if using multiple host on a single node is the better way to achieve multi-tenant chat (in which each tenant/host doesn't see the other hosts chat-rooms)
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[10:24:54] <Licaon_Kter> Giovanni: a host does not SEE the other hosts, a user does not see the same host of other hosts, or other servers users
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[10:25:04] <Licaon_Kter> Giovanni: a host does not SEE the other hosts, a user does not see users on the same host of other hosts, or other servers users
[10:25:57] <Licaon_Kter> There's no SEE, but... it can add users from the same host, other host on same server, or other host on different servers.
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[10:28:17] <Giovanni> Ok, so there always a way to add user from other hosts, I understand
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[10:29:23] <badlop> unless you setup https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/mod_isolation
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[10:30:16] <Giovanni> oh, good. I have to have a look at that
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[10:50:52] <Licaon_Kter> Giovanni: right, more info here https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/old/#global-options see `s2s_access`
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[11:43:21] <Giovanni> thank you both!
[11:44:04] <Giovanni> for the max number of host in a single node there is any info or I have to test it? In our environment we think we could have thousands of host with small number of user and rosters
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[12:01:52] <Licaon_Kter> Giovanni: depends on usecase, not sure one big host or multiple smaller make any difference, I'd think it's the same given same user number.
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[12:05:52] <Giovanni> last question for now 😃 : in ejabberd 20.01 there is a way to add dinamically hosts or I have to change the config file and restart ejabberd every time?
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[12:07:59] <Licaon_Kter> Umm, you tried with `reload_config` and it's not picked up?
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[12:09:47] <Giovanni> I'm just jumped back on ejabberd after a two year pause so I'm trying to figure what's changed
[12:10:28] <Giovanni> I will look at reload_config option, thank you
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[12:15:09] <Licaon_Kter> Why 20.01, latest is 21.04, Debian Buster has 21.01 in backports, etc
[12:15:15] <Licaon_Kter> Why 20.01? Latest is 21.04, Debian Buster has 21.01 in backports, etc
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[12:19:09] <Giovanni> Licaon_Kter I just installed in by ubuntu rep and I run ubuntu 20
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[12:20:19] <Licaon_Kter> Who forces you? :))
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[12:21:17] <Licaon_Kter> Ubuntu 20.04LTS? Meh...
[12:21:25] <Giovanni> who force me to run ubuntu 20? Sysadmin policy at my job I guess 😃
There are big benefit to run latest ejabberd?
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[12:22:03] <Licaon_Kter> Maybe not for your usecase, eg. Since ejabberd 20.04 there's Audio/Video support
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[12:23:17] <Giovanni> Audio/Video support for videocall? and on ejabberd 20.01 there is no way to do that?
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[12:23:47] <spla> https://mastodont.cat:5443/upload/eeb8a7be164d855febfb3d5acc8d20a2713da040/GYMLdlP8DqY3sCxnhMRLY9wbnsH4hcdYR1uTGqvC/51CE1DB6-81D8-4822-9705-304E8940DB0B.jpeg
[12:24:02] <spla> but spam is still there
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[12:24:08] <spla> funny
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[12:27:04] <spla> does not matter if I destroy the room and recreate it with message archiving disabled. Spam keeps there in the room.
[12:27:15] <Licaon_Kter> Giovanni: nope...
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[12:28:12] <Licaon_Kter> spla: did you set clear archive, then restarted the server, then destroyed the room, then recreated it?
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[12:30:18] <Licaon_Kter> spla: you might need to delete the group bookmark in client, close the chat, so the client can clean up database. Then readd the group...it reappears?
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[12:46:59] <Licaon_Kter> spla: also, try to join the group with another clean client that never logged in to avoid client caching
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[14:46:08] <yann-kaelig> Hi
[14:48:15] <yann-kaelig> Could you please explain how password_strength module works. Does this have a relation to the password length the user have to provide ?
[14:49:10] <yann-kaelig> I would like to set a minimal password lenght that user must provide for the registration but I can not find the option for this purpose
[14:50:06] <yann-kaelig> Sorry my bad I mean module mod_register and option password_strength
[14:52:25] <prefiks> this measures how "hard" password is, how much different categories of chars there is (number, big letters, symbols, etc) and how long password is
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[14:53:07] <prefiks> so you can't tell "password musth have at least N characters"
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[14:53:23] <prefiks> but with bigger values you would probably need to use them
[14:55:58] <Holger> Right, so it tries to enforce a better protection compared to the admin specifying `min_password_length: 8` and the user then choosing passwords such as `xxxxxxxx`.
[14:56:47] <Holger> What you as an admin really want is *good* passwords, not just long ones.
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[15:00:41] <Holger> Problem is, that's hard to test. This option tries to do that by computing the Shannon entropy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)
That still allows for various passwords you'd typically want to forbid (reuse of username, birthday, dictionary words, whatever) but is hopefully better than just checking for the length.
[15:02:07] <yann-kaelig> Ok, I understand. Well need a test to see how exactly this is going to work during a registration
[15:02:13] <yann-kaelig> thx
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[15:05:02] <yann-kaelig> I don't know what happend but I lost the video/audio feature. Everything seems fine, firewall, DNS, ejabberd conf, but still no way to make a audio or video call. Is there a software or do you have any idea how could I find the issue ?
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[15:10:29] <Licaon_Kter> yann-kaelig: https://help.conversations.im
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[16:06:38] <yann-kaelig> This pubsub feature is over complicated. No end-users will be able to understand how it works. Even me with a little more experince I'm totally lost in my test with pubsub via movim client
[16:07:32] <Licaon_Kter> yann-kaelig: why do you care? What's the usecase?
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[16:08:05] <Holger> yann-kaelig: PubSub is the name of a protocol extension, not an end-user visible feature as such.
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[16:08:11] <yann-kaelig> I would like to publish some news about ours channel distro
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[16:08:31] <Holger> For example, avatars are usually published based on PubSub. They do work for end users.
[16:09:24] <Holger> So it sounds like you're disliking the user interface of some Movim feature(s) specifically, rather than "PubSub".
[16:09:45] <yann-kaelig> it is however the term which is used at least in movim , "Publish-Subscribe"  : news.obarun.libre
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[16:10:27] <Holger> Ah ok, but you mentioned this in this ejabberd channel 🙂 Maybe join the Movim room instead.
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[16:12:38] <yann-kaelig> Ok, I'm really sorry if I'm asking some question or reporting things that are not related with ejabberd. Didin't know that pubsub is not only use for pulbishing news
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[16:15:54] <yann-kaelig> From the beginning an could link a lot of threads where pubsub is presented as a protocol ext for publishing news
[16:16:07] <yann-kaelig> an/and I
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[16:21:36] <Licaon_Kter> yann-kaelig: it's for a lot of stuff, it's a storage thing. You put omemo keys there, or posts or the tune you listen, etc.
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[16:21:58] <Licaon_Kter> Ejabberd just provides, per the proper XEPs, clients do whatever they want.
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[16:27:04] <Holger> yann-kaelig: No need to be sorry, just saying it might make more sense to report this to the Movim guys.
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[16:37:08] <yann-kaelig> You right Holger but also I'm trying to understand how all of these is structured and how I could translate the machinery for the end-users. So, in my ejabberd.yml conf file I have defined in the pubsub section a news.obarun.libre. What exactly is that, a container ? where user inside this pubsub news.obarun.libre can create their own thread which as I can see others users can subscribe
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[17:12:37] <yann-kaelig> I would like to delete a node create in my news.obarun.libre pubsub entity. I can not do that from Movim, but psi client has a console that I'm going to use for this purpose with the help of the XEP https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#owner-delete 8.4 "Delete a Node". The thing is a need some help, at least one time because I don't understand some values provided in this example.
[17:13:06] <yann-kaelig> a / I
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[17:15:51] <ben> that's the resource name
[17:16:00] <ben> the whole thing is considered a jid
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[17:16:15] <ben> but just hamlet@denmark.lit is considered a 'bare' jid IIRC
[17:16:58] <yann-kaelig> where can I find this ressource name and does it exist by default when I create the JID ?
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[17:17:13] <ben> it's set by your client
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[17:18:23] <ben> for example this client is ben@tilde.team/BitlBee
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[17:19:36] <yann-kaelig> ok, so not all client define a resource name and it seems that psi doesn't or  Idon't know where to find it
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[17:23:43] <yann-kaelig> So, if I want to see if the client has set a resource name I should use the XEP https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0029.html ?
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[17:24:09] <ben> > 3. The resource identifier (optional)
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[17:39:05] <yann-kaelig> oups! sry provider deconnection
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[17:44:03] <yann-kaelig> How a node can be optional if as explained just befoer "Jabber Identifiers (JIDs) uniquely identify individual entities in the Jabber network." I can not understand that
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[17:45:16] <yann-kaelig> When a user register in a domain the node is the name of the user, or I'm wrong
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[17:49:27] <yann-kaelig> anyway, back to "delete a node" what is and where can I find the id='delete1'> ?
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[17:51:22] <spla> https://mastodont.cat:5443/upload/eeb8a7be164d855febfb3d5acc8d20a2713da040/iBjaRaC0lhJxoLOh0T2Sm7pGGKnGGTp6AHSqcrEp/7B5A47DE-9A66-4E93-A84B-A2AE965124B5.jpeg
[17:51:30] <spla> > spla: did you set clear archive, then restarted the server, then destroyed the room, then recreated it?
yes, no luck
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[17:52:57] <spla> Licaon_Kter I will try your other tips
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[18:06:59] <spla> > spla: also, try to join the group with another clean client that never logged in to avoid client caching
Licaon_Kter joining the group with another client is not showing the spam lines.
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[18:13:30] <yann-kaelig> You have entered malformed XML input.  https://dpaste.org/8OZy
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[18:31:56] <yann-kaelig> well, doesn't work, node is not deleted. Do you have maybe a blog some someone with examples to understand what I'm doing wrong
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[18:32:11] <yann-kaelig> some / from
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[18:41:16] <yann-kaelig> ok, I missed a > but still the node is not deleted. I don't know if the id is mandatory
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[18:59:08] <yann-kaelig> ok, id is mandatory but I have no idea what it supposed to be
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[19:04:33] <yann-kaelig> ha! deleted
[19:04:50] <yann-kaelig> so the id must be anything I want ?
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[19:06:00] <yann-kaelig> Where can I find an explanation about this id, plz
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[19:09:01] <yann-kaelig> Is there an XMPP channel dedicated to question about XEP ?
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[19:10:16] <yann-kaelig> So, the thing is right now, I don't want that anybody could be able to create a node, and certainly not from another domain
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[19:12:04] <ben> xsf probably
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[19:20:49] <yann-kaelig> Two virtuals hosts are considered in the same loopback ? That why a user registered in a virtual virtual domain can create a node on the other virtual domain  ?
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[19:22:29] <Licaon_Kter> spla:
> joining the group with another client is not showing the spam lines.
Report to the client devs, if deleting the bookmark and closing the chat does not clear cache too.
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[19:23:20] <yann-kaelig> This is my conf https://dpaste.org/aWt6
[19:23:25] <Licaon_Kter> yann-kaelig:
> Two virtuals hosts are considered in the same loopback ? That why a user registered in a virtual virtual domain can create a node on the other virtual domain  ?
No, usually they don't have rights except on their own server, for their own account
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[19:25:04] <yann-kaelig> Licaon_Kter well, my test user registerd on syntazia.org has the right ot create a node on my pubsub news.obarun.libre which is something  I don't want
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[19:26:49] <Licaon_Kter> You control the access to your nodes, set them ...better
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[20:42:34] <yann-kaelig> guys, I want to thx you a lot for all your help
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[21:18:16] <spla> > spla:
>> joining the group with another client is not showing the spam lines.
> Report to the client devs, if deleting the bookmark and closing the chat does not clear cache too.
Licaon_Kter, yes, will do, thank you. Just removed Siskin IM and installed it again. Any messages history at all so it's clear that Siskin IM is doing something wrong
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[21:21:08] <Licaon_Kter> spla: join xmpp:tigase@muc.tigase.org?join and report your findings.
I remember something like this reported, it has to do with how Apple does stuff...kinda broken.
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[21:21:46] <spla> ok, thanks again
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