ejabberd - Thursday, May 27, 2021

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Thursday, May 27, 2021< ^ >

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Room Configuration

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[13:10:29] <mfoss> I wonder, in the default ejabberd config we have auth_method: internal. When we migrate from Mnesia to SQL and set default_db: sql, does “internal” in that first config now imply “sql” or should we also change it to auth_method: sql ?
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[13:11:28] <mfoss> Interestingly “internal” is not an option specified at https://docs.ejabberd.im/archive/20_04/toplevel/#auth-method
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[13:13:57] <mfoss> * sorry, by “default” ejabberd config I currently mean this https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/config/ejabberd.exs
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[13:15:31] <prefiks> internal==mnesia
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[13:16:15] <mfoss> Ah, ok. So, once we migrate from mnesia to sql, we should explicitly add in the config auth_method: sql, right ?
[13:16:19] <prefiks> Its just leftover from old syntax
[13:16:31] <prefiks> There was also odbc=sql
[13:16:38] <prefiks> yes
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[13:17:03] <mfoss> Ok, thank you prefiks 👍 i need to update my tutorial.
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[13:56:53] <yann-kaelig> Hi
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[14:05:54] <badlop> yann-kaelig: just curiosity, what is your native language?
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[14:54:41] <yann-kaelig> Hi badlop French and  I speak Polish too
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[14:59:49] <badlop> you can help ejabberd translations: Frech and Polish are not yet complete:
  https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/ejabberd/#languages
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[15:09:08] <Holger> Hah, Badlop knows how to recruit contributors! 😂
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[15:10:05] <yann-kaelig> badlop Interesting. Where can I find what's left to translate
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[15:11:58] <badlop> on that page, the "Untranslated" column shows that some languages just miss 1 string, French 203, and so on
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[15:13:14] <badlop> the good thinkg is that you can translate a few strings every day, while you wait ejabberd to compile/install/deploy :)
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[15:14:04] <yann-kaelig> badlop I have clicked on the translate icon and now I see some strings. These are parts to be translated ?
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[15:15:06] <badlop> right, it shows the original Englishe string, and below an empty field for your translation, then click on "Save"
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[15:15:26] <badlop> or "Skip", if you don't want to translate that now, or close the page and continue later
[15:15:49] <yann-kaelig> This is a little strange because I don not have the general context. Where can I find it
[15:16:29] <badlop> on the right column "String information", it may show a link "Source string location"
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[15:18:51] <yann-kaelig> I see, but that strange, for example this string https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/ejabberd/-/fr/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated&offset=2 There is no such thing in the src file
[15:19:11] <yann-kaelig> 'Displayed groups' not added (they do not exist!):
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[15:19:52] <yann-kaelig> The src file show me something else: list_to_binary(FDisplayedGroups))]),
[15:20:17] <badlop> right, in that case the source code call to translate is parametrised
[15:20:36] <badlop> this shows you know where the string is *used* in practice
[15:21:08] <yann-kaelig> ok, next I have a 404
[15:21:17] <yann-kaelig> fro: A web page
[15:21:19] <yann-kaelig> for
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[15:22:04] <badlop> what url?
[15:22:27] <yann-kaelig> https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/ejabberd/-/fr/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated&offset=3
[15:22:39] <yann-kaelig> https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/ejabberd/-/fr/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated&offset=4
[15:22:54] <yann-kaelig> https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/ejabberd/-/fr/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated&offset=5
[15:22:58] <yann-kaelig> and so on
[15:23:05] <yann-kaelig> a lot in fact
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[15:23:23] <badlop> ah, that string comes from a dependency, so its source code is not available in ejabberd
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[15:23:41] <badlop> do you need context to translate "A Web Page" ?
[15:24:12] <yann-kaelig> No, but that could help
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[15:25:38] <yann-kaelig> Should I also keep the same uppercase like in your example ?
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[15:29:55] <yann-kaelig> For example : Access model or any other string with model. If I don't know what exaclty we are talking about model it's going to be difficult, because model in french is Modèle but is it really the good translation in the context
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[15:35:05] <yann-kaelig> Another example from here https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/src/mod_register_web.erl#L609
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[15:37:56] <yann-kaelig> This message is shown when a user is trying to delete the account ?
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[15:46:49] <yann-kaelig> But I can certainly find all these string somewhere in the binary files ?
[15:47:42] <yann-kaelig> For example this https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/ejabberd/-/fr/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated&offset=21 where is the final file with this string
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[15:53:19] <yann-kaelig> Lot of french translation seems wrong
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[15:56:57] <yann-kaelig> there is no way to get a preview ?
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[16:05:11] <yann-kaelig> Another example here https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/ejabberd/-/fr/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated&offset=63 I can translate this like that: Le pseudonyme ne peut-etre vide. But if we are talking about a nickname field in this case i have to translate it like that. Le champ 'pseudonyme' ne peut-etre vide or also, Le champ 'pseudonyme' doit-etre rempli which mean the nickname field must be set
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[16:06:42] <yann-kaelig> There is not only one way to translate the thing, it really depend on the context, what the user see and he's doing
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[16:15:03] <yann-kaelig> set / be filled in
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[16:18:42] <yann-kaelig> And a you can see here https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/ejabberd/-/fr/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated&offset=74 and here https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/ejabberd/-/fr/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated&offset=75 it's ending with a non consistend translation, one time occupant is translated with utilisateur and the other time with occupants
[16:19:08] <yann-kaelig> consisted / consistent
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[16:30:17] <yann-kaelig> Well, globally it look like that the translation has been done by a lot of different users and each of them have translated the thing from their own point of view and not from the end-user point of view when he is using the software. A lot of translate from what I see are wrong
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[16:40:37] <yann-kaelig> This is really weird https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/ejabberd/-/fr/?q=state%3A%3Ctranslated&offset=200
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[16:50:40] <yann-kaelig> Well, I have posted some new suggestions as anonymous, but the rest is to hard to be translated like that.
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[16:52:09] <yann-kaelig> Another example from the polish translation, if you mean channel as room then it must be translate with Pokój but if you want a "pure" translation it should be Kanał
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[17:00:26] <Holger> Hehe the channel thing is being discussed a lot for German translations.
[17:01:07] <Holger> yann-kaelig: Is Kanał a thing for IRC channels?
[17:01:24] <Holger> Or Slack or whatever.
[17:01:50] <Holger> If so then it's probably fine. Otherwise I'd just use whatever Polish people use for Slack rooms, or so.
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[17:04:00] <yann-kaelig> both can be used
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[17:05:07] <Holger> I think you're asking the right questions; many translators don't which is why software often ends up with bad translations. Also people tend to stick to closely to verbatim 1:1 translations of the English words. I think a good translator should not be afraid of adjusting existing translations for consistency.
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[17:05:50] <Licaon_Kter> Yeah, like do ejabberd...then edit all the clients too...for consistency  :))
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[17:05:59] <Holger> 🙂
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[17:06:33] <yann-kaelig> yes, and something english sentence with 'negative' or 'positiv' value can be translated with an inverse value . For example don't close the door ca nbe translated leave the door open :)
[17:06:41] <yann-kaelig> something / sometimes
[17:06:49] <Holger> There's some attempt to streamline at least English wordings at modernxmpp.org. But no such thing for other languages, AFAIK.
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[17:08:01] <Holger> yann-kaelig: Exactly. That's what people often don't get right.
[17:08:27] <Holger> (Including myself of course, good translations aren't trivial.)
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[17:09:55] <yann-kaelig> not trivial at all, and sometime, because I worked on that for myself and a lot of time after some time spend on it you can find a better translation
[17:10:21] <yann-kaelig> spend / spent
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[17:13:10] <yann-kaelig> dictionnary, synonym, sleep on it and consistency, it's a long work.
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[17:14:09] <Holger> I'm sure you were wondering on what the hell you could work on during the next years anyway!
[17:14:53] <Holger> You signed the contract now, it's too late to quit.
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[17:14:56] <yann-kaelig> and of course, a real-time preview. Yes, lol
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[17:16:05] <yann-kaelig> It's ok, I can help, but I'm not goint to make make install each time I want to see the result 😁
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[17:17:21] <Holger> I understand your problem of sometimes needing more context.  But not quite sure why you need a 'preview'?
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[17:17:46] <yann-kaelig> sometimes you have to adapt the transaltion because of the GUI
[17:18:03] <yann-kaelig> too long sentence, etc...
[17:18:05] <Holger> Many/most messages are sent as part of XMPP stanzas though, and then rendered by the client.
[17:18:51] <Holger> So these things will differ depending on client anyway.  I.e. it's not really possible to take that into account; clients must cope somehow.
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[17:21:39] <yann-kaelig> Partly because I work through the visual,  my brain run like wysiwyg :D
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[17:23:40] <yann-kaelig> For example I have a lot of difficulties with networking when I do not see how everything is connected through a graphics. I'm visual
[17:24:32] <yann-kaelig> Icons for me are very important, and when fireofx decided t oremoved them, it's a bad move
[17:25:02] <yann-kaelig> it's an example to understand how my brain work :)
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[17:25:24] <yann-kaelig> I'm a musician first
[17:25:54] <yann-kaelig> perhaps this explain how graphics are important for me
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[17:35:06] <Holger> Yup I can totally relate.  I'm coming from text-based programming, command-line administration, and mostly text-based user tools.  But learnt my way around how graphics are essential for normal end user tools.  E.g. in a list of chats, having avatars makes it _much_ quicker to look up a given conversation.
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[17:35:39] <Holger> It's just that translation solutions don't really offer this, and translating server software doesn't make this easier ...
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[18:59:14] <jeff> Hello, I have a PEP question if anyone can help out. When a I first subscribe to another users presence (so Subscription=both), I do not receive any PEP Event Notifications for that user for the node that I am interested in. As soon as I re-send my presence/caps, I will start getting updates, even though it's the same caps that was originally sent out. Everything works fine after that, even when either user logs out and back in. I'm just not sure why I need to re-send my presence for new contacts to start getting the Event Notifications.
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