Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[07:46:50] <ilmaisin> > Ah this should still work. What happens if you try?
It now works. I just had mistyped the variable and somehow did not notice it :/
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[08:04:36] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> what conditions need i satisfy before embarking on a migration from prosody to ejabberd?
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[08:11:41] <Licaon_Kter> Ellenor Bjornsdottir: have tea
[08:12:10] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> Licaon_Kter: anything about passwords?
[08:12:35] <Licaon_Kter> And read https://thomas-leister.de/en/migrating-trashserver-prosody-ejabberd/
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[08:16:41] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> yeah? i've read that factsheet a few times
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[08:19:44] <Licaon_Kter> And?
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[08:38:42] <Holger> Ellenor Bjornsdottir: I guess you'd want to test the import once (at least check that `ejabberdctl import-prosody` returns and logs no errors; and maybe check whether the `users` table looks sensible in SQL).  As ejabberd needs to be running for the import, you'd need a test system; or run ejabberd on different ports so it can run in parallel to Prosody.
[08:39:31] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> Different ports it is. (I have a system I can use for testing, but i'd rather not have to do too much jiggering to move it over.)
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[08:42:01] <Holger> So my first step would be to just go on and try :-)
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[08:42:15] <Holger> You're using Prosody's default file storage backend?
[08:42:34] <Holger> With SCRAM-hashed, or plaintext passwords?
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[08:47:19] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> Holger: Scram hashed, ja..
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[08:48:47] <Holger> Ellenor Bjornsdottir: Default file storage (no SQL?)?
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[08:49:20] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> File and only file. I intend to migrate to a setup where ejabberd speaks to a PostgreSQL database.
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[08:50:35] <Holger> Ellenor Bjornsdottir: Importing SCRAM hashes from file storage to Postgres should work fine (and makes sense, yes).  But to double-check I'd test by logging into ejabberd on that temporary port (most clients allow for specifying the server's host/port manually).
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[08:51:15] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> I will do that.
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[09:35:03] <Frank> Ellenor Bjornsdottir: last I checked the erlang Postgres binding supports MD5 SCRAM only, I failed to get it running with Postgres and SHA256 SCRAM in case that is of concern to you.
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[09:35:11] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> :/
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[09:36:35] <egnun> Say, do I need to change anything in ejabberds configuration to enable OMEMO for MUCs?
Because neither Dino nor monocles (a Conversations fork) show me any option to enable OMEMO.
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[09:53:21] <Licaon_Kter> egnun: where do you expect to see such an option in Conversations?
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[09:54:26] <Licaon_Kter> You don't enable OMEMO, in Conversations and forks, you start a "private group"
In Dino you create the group, then toggle members only and non-anonymous.
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[09:56:11] <egnun> I think I remember, that Conversations did have an option to enable OMEMO, when you were in a MUC.
[09:57:00] <egnun> > In Dino you create the group, then toggle members only and non-anonymous.
That's all that's needed?
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[10:01:12] <egnun> Oh, it really is.
> This is only implemented in members only, non-anonymous chats (as information needed to build OMEMO sessions is stored in PEP nodes for each user)
> https://github.com/dino/dino/pull/413
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[10:39:34] <Licaon_Kter> egnun:
> I think I remember, that Conversations did have an option to enable OMEMO, when you were in a MUC
Yes and no, if it's public, like this one then you can't
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[11:21:01] <yann-kaelig> Hello. Is there a point of weakness that make the use of a captcha for subscription request a must have ? Is there some paper or something like that ?
[11:22:24] <Licaon_Kter> Weakness to autoresolvers? To spammers?
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[11:24:05] <yann-kaelig> sub request to a contact ( adding a contact ) which is blocked by a captcha
[11:24:27] <Licaon_Kter> Explain better
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[11:26:11] <yann-kaelig> When I'm trying to 'add a contact' I get this message: Your subscription request and/or messages to ..... have been blocked. To unblock your subscription request, visit https://xmpp.jix.im/captcha/......
[11:26:35] <Licaon_Kter> yann-kaelig: right, mod_block_strangers w/ captch
[11:26:42] <Licaon_Kter> yann-kaelig: right, mod_block_strangers w/ captcha
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[11:28:22] <yann-kaelig> Ok, thx for the module name by the way :) But what exactly this captcha trying to solve ? Back to my first question about the  point of weakness
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[11:30:31] <yann-kaelig> What could be the bad scenario without this captcha
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[11:39:21] <Licaon_Kter> yann-kaelig: prove you're human
Else automated spam tools will spam you
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[11:43:34] <Holger> Frank:
> Ellenor Bjornsdottir: last I checked the erlang Postgres binding supports MD5 SCRAM only, I failed to get it running with Postgres and SHA256 SCRAM in case that is of concern to you.
You're talking about using SCRAM for ejabberd's authenticating against PostgreSQL. This is totally unrelated to using PostgreSQL for storing SCRAM hashes of XMPP users, which works just fine of course.
[11:44:34] <Holger> Not the first time I'm reading this in here, not sure whether it was you but please stop confusing people, guys 🙂
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[12:14:15] <Frank> Holger: right, I'm talking about authenticating against PostgreSQL (for the first time in here). I figured it was the same mechanism but I guess I was wrong ?
[12:15:53] <Holger> Well yes the mechanism is similar, I just doubt it was clear that the use case is totally different.  >90% care about SCRAM for XMPP auth, almost nobody about Postgres auth, in practice.
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[20:27:21] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> configure for fast_xml can't find expat.h. Expat is installed. It's not looking hard enough. How do I make it look harder?
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[20:28:26] <Licaon_Kter> Ellenor Bjornsdottir: libexpat1-dev ?
[20:28:45] <Licaon_Kter> Or whatever is that called on whatever exotic OS you use
[20:28:50] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> Licaon_Kter: I'm on FreeBSD. We don't have -dev splits.
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[20:30:03] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> expat.h is at /usr/local/include/expat.h - it's not that hard to find. configure just isn't looking hard enough.
[20:30:48] <Licaon_Kter> Ellenor Bjornsdottir: might not look for .h but .pc
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[20:31:44] <Holger> > it's not that hard to find.
Tell that FreeBSD's compiler 😉
[20:31:59] <Holger> Can't look today sorry, but tomorrow.
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[20:32:26] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> Holger: I think this is an autotools issue mainly.
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[20:34:08] <Holger> I meant FreeBSD's compiler by default not looking into the default FreeBSD package path. But wasn't too serious.
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[20:37:37] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> ah
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[21:28:28] <Holger> (I'm aware 'packages' are conceptually separated from the base system, unlike with typical Linux distros.  It makes sense for the base system's compiler to ignore those by default and that's actually cleaner than the Linux mess.)
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[21:28:41] <Holger> I'll have a look at our build foo tomorrow.
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[23:17:08] <TheXMPPro> how's life my homies
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[23:21:27] <Licaon_Kter> TheXMPPro:  Hi there.
What brings you to this corner of the ecosystem?
[23:21:59] <TheXMPPro> I like free and open source software and open standards
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[23:22:43] <Licaon_Kter> That's a good attitude :)
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[23:30:33] <TheXMPPro> https://upload.chatserver.space:5281/upload/TWn2eO42Re1o9Ybw/01-Blog-Coffee-L.jpg
[23:30:55] <TheXMPPro> sorry
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[23:38:57] <TheXMPPro> did not mean to upload THAT image
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[23:49:59] <TheXMPPro> can you guys still see the images I delete
[23:50:59] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> Yes.
[23:51:02] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> Deletion doesn't work on xmpp
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[23:55:27] <TheXMPPro> I was able to redact the message on conversejs.org
[23:55:30] <TheXMPPro> the web client
[23:55:36] <TheXMPPro> isn't there some XEP for redaction?
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[23:59:11] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> TheXMPPro: Yes but it's not in use
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