Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, December 21, 2021< ^ >
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[12:08:14] <Holger> badlop, using `make rel` with rebar3 ends up with a `12.2` directory next to `erts-12.2`.  If I understand your comment in rebar.config right, you were aware of that?
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/21.12/rebar.config#L185
Either way, I totally see how it's not quite obvious how to fix that without breaking rebar2 …
[12:09:55] <Holger> BTW I wasn't aware one can use overlay vars "\{within\}" rebar.config 🙂  (Not documented on <http://rebar3.org/docs/deployment/releases/#overlays-build-time-configuration> AFAICS.)
[12:12:48] <Holger> badlop, the `12.2` thing is _mostly_ cosmetic AFAICS, except that `ejabberdctl` also looks for `epmd` in `12.2/bin/`, while that directory only holds `erl`.
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[12:20:25] <Holger> Supporting rebar2 + rebar3 is quite a PITA 🙂
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[12:22:38] <Holger> debalance, didn't you say you're typically super-bored all day long and would love to package rebar3 because there's nothing else to do?  Or do I misremember this?
[12:22:42] <pchmielowski> yeah, probably we should switch to r3 at some point
[12:23:15] <Holger> https://bugs.debian.org/#824773 <-- no response in half a decade 😕
[12:24:09] <Licaon_Kter> pchmielowski: when?  https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/3727
[12:24:43] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, sshhh, don't show how rebar3 is a PITA in itself.
[12:25:08] <Licaon_Kter> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[12:25:54] <pchmielowski> problem is older version won't accept that --all
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[12:26:03] <Holger> Yes \o/
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[12:27:14] <pchmielowski> Licaon_Kter: could you show what rebar3 version show for you?
[12:27:19] <Holger> I had the tiny hope that my rant on their tracker might have them continue support the old syntax at least for a while, but seems they got used to ignoring me 🙂
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[12:27:47] <Holger> pchmielowski, it's just in rebar3's current Git.  Licaon_Kter lives on the bleeding edge.
[12:27:53] <pchmielowski> ah
[12:28:06] <Holger> (Which is why I had a little hope the rebar3 guys might think about it before releasing.)
[12:28:38] <pchmielowski> we could try add more fine grained version detection, but for that we will need to have version change
[12:28:44] <Holger> (J/k when ranting BTW, they're cool guys.)
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[12:29:27] <Holger> pchmielowski, or just brute-force `rebar3 upgrade || rebar3 upgrade --all` for a while, until everyone has the new version.
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[12:30:39] <Licaon_Kter> pchmielowski: after 3.17 afaik
Eg, today it says
`rebar 3.17.0+build.5126.ref1d8d857e on Erlang/OTP 23 Erts 11.1.8`
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[12:34:46] <pchmielowski> thank you
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[15:29:52] <Luigi Vianova> Hi Holger I'm Luigi and I'm trying both versions of ejabberd CE and FLUUX.
I have a problem with push notifications.
Can I ask you?
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[15:31:30] <Holger> Just ask in the room, if anyone has time & motivation they will respond, might or might not be me 🙂
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[15:33:51] <Luigi Vianova> good
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[15:35:12] <Luigi Vianova> so:
what should I send to enable and disable push notification? without resending the token each time.
Opening and closing the connection is not enough.
I was thinking of a presence but I only have the states online, absent, xa, dnd
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[15:42:41] <Holger> You're using `mod_push` (XEP-0357) with some push proxy?
[15:43:30] <Holger> In that case the idea is to re-<enable/> notifications on every connection indeed. (That's problematic?)
[15:43:47] <Holger> (But I'm gone for the next several hours.)
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[15:51:35] <Luigi Vianova> yes, currently i'm testing the CE with P2, but i think reenable every time is a bit strange. I think something like presence available, not available. thanks
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[16:32:30] <badlop> Holger: xmpp's "make spec" fails with OTP 24? I don't see with OTP 24.2. Anyway, it's worth filling a bug issue
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[17:35:22] <Holger> badlop: Oh it works for you? It was actually 24.2 here as well, and switching to 23.x made the problem go away. I'll have another try.
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[19:08:35] <debalance> Holger, I think you must have mistaken me for someone else ^^
I haven't looked at rebar3 yet, if it is simple to build+deploy it should be simple to package, in which case I might do it. But is it?
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[19:36:19] <debalance> rebar3$ ./bootstrap --> downloads 5 additional deps, of whom only 1 is already packaged. I'm out.
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[19:39:08] <Holger> If you compare that to some random package, say, LibreOffice, that's like nothing!
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[19:39:29] <Holger> The Erlang community would love you!
[19:39:37] <Holger> At least we would!
[19:39:39] <Holger> 🙂
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[19:40:54] <Holger> Haha.
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[19:42:04] <Holger> "Downloading dep $foo_js ... detected FIVE HUNDRED SEVERE SECURITY ISSUES</red> ... continuing ..."
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[19:45:51] <debalance> other than the number of packages, what's the difference to rebar3? rebar3 hides pretty well that is actually downloading most of its code during bootstrap from repo.hex.pm. If someone writes a shell script that creates a rebar3 source tarball that includes all the required deps and builds completely offline, I'd be happy to take care of the rest.
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[19:46:06] <debalance> at least npm has something like a security tracker
[19:47:53] <Holger> > rebar3 hides pretty well that is actually downloading most of its code during bootstrap
True, though that's specific to the bootstrap script.  You can instead build rebar3 using rebar3 and in that case will see the usual output, which won't hide the downloads.
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[19:49:10] <Holger> And yes you're right of course.  It's just a bit weird to see big fat red warnings _and_ having those ignored by default.
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[19:50:07] <Holger> > If someone writes a shell script that creates a rebar3 source tarball that includes all the required deps and builds completely offline, I'd be happy to take care of the rest.
Deal!  I could look into that.
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[19:54:42] <Holger> I mean basically that script could just grab the repo, do `rebar3 get-deps` and tar up the work directory.  Unless it's meh to use `rebar3`?
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[20:01:13] <debalance> I don't see an existing rebar3 binary/script in the sources, so that would be weird.
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[20:02:33] <Holger> Ok yes, I wasn't sure in what environment such a script would be expected to work in.
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[20:04:53] <Holger> But yes I could probably create a shell-script quite easily that downloads deps using curl/whatever (rather than depending on rebar3/Erlang in any way) and throws them into `_build/default/lib` (where rebar3 expects them).  Is it ok to use rebar3 to _build_ the resulting tarball?
[20:05:09] <debalance> If I create / repack a source tarball for Debian, I'm expected to provide the code for that. It's a chicken-and-egg problem if that code uses a tool that is only available on a plain Debian system after it has been built, which requires the prepared source tarball.
[20:05:10] <Holger> (Not sure how bootstrapping works elsewhere.)
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[20:06:23] <Holger> Ok, it's probably also not too hard to build rebar3 without rebar3.
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[20:06:56] <Holger> (One could just steal the second half from `bootstrap` or so.)
[20:06:58] <debalance> If I understand it correctly the bootstrap script uses rebar3 code that is shipped in the same source, that's okay. But you must not rely on an already built artefact that comes from somewhere on the outside
[20:07:59] <debalance> You can use escript if you like, that's provided by the Erlang package.
[20:08:34] <debalance> I think gcc needs 3 iterations before it is able to fully compile itself ^^
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[20:08:55] <Holger> Yes but the first one already needs a C compiler, no? 🙂
[20:09:09] <debalance> Not sure.
[20:09:50] <debalance> Point is - there is no rebar3 in Debian yet. Unless you want to use rebar2 for the job xD
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[20:09:59] <Holger> Anyway I was mainly unsure because I was assuming the script to create a source tarball (by downloading deps) would be run outside of any Debian context anyway.
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[20:11:23] <Holger> Whatever, doing it without rebar3 won't be hard.
[20:11:25] <debalance> Yes, usually it's up to upstream to provide a suitable source tarball. When the Debian maintainer has to that, the rules become somewhat murky.
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[20:12:07] <debalance> It's always good practice though to make the tools to create the source tarball available + easily usable
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[20:13:32] <Holger> Ok, understood.
If you'd seriously be willing to package the result that would be quite awesome.  I do think it would make quite a few more people happy.  I'm aware Erlang isn't exactly mainstream, but still quite surprised #824773 has seen no "ME TOO!!" response at all over the years.
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[20:20:20] <debalance> Holger, if I only have to maintain one more package which doesn't cause much work/effort/trouble I'm happy to do it.
[20:21:07] <debalance> I hope all the sources have clear + free copyright information, otherwise there's not much I can do.
[20:22:06] <debalance> Your script too, it would be best if it would end up in the resulting tarball as well so it can be re-run at any time.
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[20:22:52] <Holger> Yes I'll try to check the copyright/license info.
[20:24:40] <Holger> I'd of course only publish such a script under some super-complex license which triggers endless discussions on whether or not it might be DFSG-compatible.
[20:25:49] <Holger> ISC license with the additional clause that you might only distribute modified versions if you agree that XMPP is cool.
[20:26:04] <Holger> debalance, many thanks, I'll have a look.
[20:26:52] <debalance> You're welcome!
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