Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, January 27, 2022< ^ >
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[05:32:23] <riau.pro> I have similar problem on ejabberd 21.12.
Any clue what should i do?
> Hi, anyone know what I can do to investigate why an xmpp user of a foreign server can't join an open muc on my server?
In my case, fails while trying from any other server
> trying to enter the room from another server fails <-- from any other server, or only from that other server?
Can discover list of channels, using Conversations
> also, from remote server: fails joining room, but does also fail discovering the list of rooms? viewing the mod_muc vcard? just to determine where the "permission denied" is produced
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[05:34:40] <riau.pro> Conversations says, ```remote server not found [LEAVE]``` while  tring to join public muc created.
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[05:40:49] <Licaon_Kter> riau.pro: it's always DNS?
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[05:48:05] <riau.pro> Licaon_Kter: not sure, it is due to DNS? Do muc need pointing to A record?
[05:48:15] <riau.pro> Licaon_Kter: not sure, is it due to DNS? Do muc need pointing to A record?
[05:48:28] <Licaon_Kter> Yes...iirc
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[05:51:02] <riau.pro> should i put ```conference.domain.tld```?
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[06:23:06] <Licaon_Kter> Yes
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[09:59:01] <Umar> raver: Ensure Your TCP Port 5269 is open. Are you hosting on AWS, Azure, Oracle Cloud or any other / Home Hosting
[10:00:59] <raver> Umar: I'm hosting on https://uberspace.de with custom ports which are propagated via srv records
[10:02:15] <Umar> So I other words Port 5269 is exposed to Internet? Please confirm/comment
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[10:26:52] <raver> Umar: No not 5269
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[10:27:47] <Umar> raver: So in ejabberd config your port is correctly mapped or you are using a reverse proxy in the middle?
[10:28:14] <raver> ejabberd is correctly mapped. (I can telnet to that port) s2s ports is: 46785 (TLS Required) and
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[10:29:38] <pchmielowski> o you have dns srv record for conference.myserver.com? or only for myserver.com
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[10:30:11] <pchmielowski> you will want to have entry for conference.* as well (or whatever service you want to expose)
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[10:30:41] <pchmielowski> other servers generally don't know that for conference.A you need to use A
[10:30:55] <raver> only for myserver.com
[10:31:14] <pchmielowski> then that is probably the problem here
[10:31:16] <raver> pchmielowski‎: great thx will try
[10:31:31] <raver> do I need both, client and server SRV records?
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[10:31:44] <pchmielowski> not only s2s
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[10:31:57] <pchmielowski> er, no, only s2s
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[10:32:05] <raver> pchmielowski‎: thx :)
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[10:32:09] <pchmielowski> clients will not try to connect to it
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[10:56:31] <Umar> raver: usually for S2S you have xmpp-server SRV record but conference.domain.tld is usually the CNAME record to domain tld. However if you are using TLS/SSL you need to have cnference.domain.tld part of your certificate
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[10:59:15] <raver> Umar‎: i've got a catchall *.rimkus.it in my dns which points to the same IP addresses (IPv4/IPV6)  than rimkus.it, and no specific entry for conference.rimkus.it
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[10:59:35] <raver> and I already had an xmpp-server srv record for rimkus.it
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[11:00:39] <Zash> If you use non-standard ports then you must have an SRV record for each XMPP name
[11:00:52] <raver> Zash‎: thx
[11:00:57] <raver> good to know
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[11:01:51] <Zash> For each XMPP name you want reachable from a remote server, _xmpp-server._tcp.(name)
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[11:02:11] <Zash> MUC conference hosts and such don't need the _xmpp-client one tho, only the main user domain
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[11:23:20] <raver> https://xmpp.rimkus.it:46786/upload/rimkus.it/f98f5ce56e3f04cdef2a1867d456b3eba148ef12/gs62HBN5lmCTD5SFuZZpWeyfCRBDnjxIBkRjAcL7/34f5784f-f5f0-42d7-9cd2-645f839c8ded.png
[11:23:22] <raver> hmm I now have following xmpp-server entries:
[11:23:35] <raver> but still can't access my public muc from xabber.org
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[11:28:58] <raver> Just looked at the logs, could be a certificate issue
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[11:44:54] <dwd> raver, I don't see where the port is specified in that screenshot.
[11:45:06] <Umar> raver: well I mentioned earlier conference.domain.tld to be part of your certificate published by domain.tld. Reason: The other server if has strict TLS Policy could not find domain in your cert as trusted then the connection is not established. That is why I also mentioned to use conference.domain.tld to be pointing to domain.tld
[11:45:23] <dwd> raver, Oh, you're using weird ports. OK.
[11:45:55] <Umar> same for Pubsub, upload/share etc.
[11:45:56] <raver> yea, reason is that I'm  not able to choose ports, I can reserve random ports from my hoster
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[11:46:58] <raver> my hoster creates LE certificates for each domain I register to the server, but sadly no wildcard certificate, so ejabberd has many certificates for each (sub) domain I have
[11:47:44] <raver> I added wildcard to the ejabberd certificate config:
certfiles:
  - "/home/raver7/etc/certificates/*.crt"
  - "/home/raver7/etc/certificates/*.key"
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[11:49:57] <raver> hah it's working now :D
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[11:50:11] <dwd> raver, I was going to say, it looks worky.
[11:50:14] <raver> maybe the SRV records need a little time to propagate to DNS Servers...
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[11:50:37] <dwd> raver, THough I *think* you're not authenticating using PKIX, which may present a problem with some servers.
[11:51:05] <raver> I also changed the wildcard catch all dns entry *.rimkus.it from normal A/AAA entries to a cname. much simpler :)
[11:51:20] <dwd> raver, Ah, that might break everything.
[11:51:38] <dwd> raver, You can't (well, shouldn't but it might sometimes work) go SRV->CNAME->A
[11:51:59] <raver> yep thats' now the way
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[11:52:20] <dwd> raver, Right, but a CNAME cannot appear on the right-hand-side of a DNS record.
[11:52:50] <raver> so should I revert?
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[11:53:10] <raver> pointing *.rimkus.it directly to the same A/AAA IP's thant rimkus.it?
[11:53:28] <dwd> It's more correct, certainly.
[11:53:36] <raver> okay, will revert back :)
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[11:53:48] <raver> dwd: how can I check PKIX?
[11:53:56] <dwd> I'm doing that for you now.
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[11:54:53] <dwd> You might want to add _xmpps-server._tcp SRV records to point at the XEP-0368 port, if you're listening. Slightly more efficient. Similarly with _xmpps-client._tcp SRV.
[11:55:28] Zash is curious about the deployment status of _xmpps-server
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[11:56:13] <Holger> https://salsa.debian.org/mdosch/xmpp-dns is a convenient tool for checking these things BTW.
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[11:57:21] <dwd> raver, Yeah, TLS cert looks good, actually. That was me misreading my logs - I should really add in some admin stuff to make that simpler.
[11:58:02] <dwd> Zash, Seems solidly supported by ejabberd, Openfire, and Metre (not that anyone you're likely to talk to runs Metre except me).
[11:58:04] <raver> I don't have an _xmps-server SRV record, and s2s connections are only available at port
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    ip: "::"
    port: 46785
    module: ejabberd_s2s_in
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[11:58:40] <Zash> dwd, I meant in DNS, tho I wasn't fully aware Openfire had support
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[11:58:55] <Zash> Prosody (trunk nightlies) has support since a few days too
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[11:59:26] <dwd> Zash, Has for ages, it was a matter of uncommenting a line. I think the admin interface has always supported it because we forgot to remove it from ancient days...
[11:59:55] <dwd> Zash, I mean, I exaggerate, but it really wasn't hard to add in.
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[12:01:51] <Zash> dwd: For outgoing connections seemed the trickier part to me.
[12:02:00] <dwd> Zash, What I'm not so sure about is SNI support, actually.
[12:02:11] <dwd> Holger, Does ejabberd do/handle SNI?
[12:02:12] <Zash> Don't forget ALPN
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[12:02:18] <dwd> Zash, Oh, but I do...
[12:02:21] <Holger> dwd, yes.
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[12:02:22] <Zash> ejabberd does (from what I can tell)
[12:02:54] <raver> Thanks to all for helping me out! :)
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[12:03:39] <Zash> ```
| Dir  | Remote                 | Security             | Encryption                     | SNI                    | ALPN      
| <--  | conversations.im       |                      | TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384         | zash.se                | xmpp-server
```
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[12:04:00] <Zash> ```
| Dir  | Remote                 | Security             | Encryption                     | SNI                    | ALPN      
| <--  | conversations.im       |                      | TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384         | zash.se                | xmpp-server |   443
```
[12:04:01] <dwd> Zash, See, this is what I need to add in Metre.
[12:04:41] <Zash> ```
| Dir  | Remote                 | Security  | Encryption                     | SNI                    | ALPN        |  Port
| <--  | conversations.im       | TLSv1.3   | TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384         | zash.se                | xmpp-server |   443
```
[12:04:59] <Zash> dwd, a The Shell ? very yes!
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[12:05:33] <dwd> Zash, The diagnostics. I'd probably do it via either XMPP itself or a JSON+HTTP API in my case.
[12:05:35] <Zash> Does ejabberd have a The Shell yet?
[12:05:50] <dwd> Zash, It has Erlang.
[12:05:58] <dwd> Zash, You must The Erlang.
[12:06:03] <Zash> I don't into erlang
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[12:06:22] <dwd> Zash, If you do not The Erlang, then The Erlang will do you.
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[12:06:52] <dwd> Zash, For The Erlang is mighty, and without mercy.
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[12:08:01] <Holger> I was assuming Prosody's telnet shell was kinda inspired by ejabberd's ...
[12:08:19] <Zash> I'm not talking about the old telnet console, I'm talking about The Shell!!!!1
[12:08:24] <dwd> Holger, Actually, so was I.
[12:08:31] <Holger> Oh!
[12:08:35] <Zash> aka the telnet console, but over an UNIX socket, so it's Secure™
[12:08:46] <Holger> Yay.
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[12:09:00] <dwd> I hope you use TLS over UNIX sockets for extra secure.
[12:09:05] <Zash> Except it's not speaking telnet, but some weirdo XMPP derivative for framing
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[12:09:35] <dwd> Zash, Wait, you literally picked the worst protocol for framing and used it for framing?
[12:09:35] <Holger> k we do TCP, maybe we'll end up Unix sockets once we're grown up as well.
[12:09:36] <Zash> I once experimented with using TLS client certs for auth with the telnet console
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[12:10:02] <Holger> (But we _can_ do TLS yes yes!)
[12:10:34] <Zash> Some things like `unbound-control` does it that way, access control via client certificate
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[12:10:37] <Zash> P cool
[12:10:52] <dwd> Holger, I hope you authenticate with SCRAM, otherwise you know who'll raise tickets.
[12:11:01] <Holger> D'oh!
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[12:13:41] <Zash> Better use SCRAM-SHA-3-1024-EXTRA-PLUS and client certificate authentication at the same time!!
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[12:14:41] <dwd> *and* run over UNIX sockets.
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[12:15:41] <Holger> Just a single encryption layer?
[12:16:18] <Zash> TLS-over-IPSec-over-HTTP/3-over-UNIX-socket-over...
[12:16:23] <dwd> I have worked on systems with double encryption layers (and even sometimes more), and they're annoying.
[12:16:24] <Holger> For TURN, that's not enough.  If you don't put the DTLS-SRTP stream into TLS you're doomed.
[12:17:09] <dwd> I much prefer full-on military grade encryption. Ie, remove it all from the applications and use encrypted radios guarded by tanks.
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[13:52:53] <Umar> Holger:
> For TURN, that's not enough.  If you don't put the DTLS-SRTP stream into TLS you're doomed.
The Standard ejabberd deploymet is single layer with internal TURN mod_stun? Eturnal over TLS is Double layerd i.e. DTLS-SRTP over TLS if configured for TLS Connections?? kindly correct / comment. Thx
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[14:03:02] <Holger> Umar, in practice, A/V streams are end-to-end encrypted these days (WebRTC mandates DTLS-SRTP).  The encrypted stream can be transported via UDP, unencrypted TCP, or TLS.¹  ejabberd's built-in TURN server supports all three transports.  Offering TLS (on port 443) might help with circumventing restrictive firewalls, but doesn't actually provide addional security.
¹ Just to add to the confusion, this is about the link from your client to your TURN server.  The link between your TURN server and your *peer* is always using UDP.  I tried to outline the weirdness here:
https://eturnal.net/documentation/protocol.html
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[15:00:49] <meeson_> > The link between your TURN server and your *peer* is always using UDP.
What's the eason why it's always this case?
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[15:00:54] <meeson_> > The link between your TURN server and your *peer* is always using UDP.
What's the reason why it's always this case?
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[15:06:38] <Holger> It's just how TURN works.  The protocol is designed with UDP-based applications such as RTP streams in mind, with the goal of minimizing latency.
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[15:09:19] <Holger> The link (1) between client and server is different from the link (2) between server and peer in that only link (1) may require authentication, which might be worth being TLS-encrypted if the credentials are sensitive.  But we use ephemeral throw-away credentials anyway.
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[15:12:35] <Umar> Thanks
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[15:19:48] <Holger> Whereas the traffic exchanged between the server and the peer over link (2) isn't wrapped into TURN packets at all, i.e. the peer just sends/receives a naked RTP (and therefore UDP) stream to/from the server.
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[15:33:11] <meeson_> Thanks from my side, too!
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[18:16:50] <flow> Holger,  link(2) is always UDP? do you have an idea why it's specified that way? couldn't it be possible that this causes the PEER to be unable to connect to the TURN server?
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[18:17:39] <flow> or is there an I-D on the horizion that adds that functionality?
[18:18:14] <dwd> flow, If the peer can't reach your TURN, I think it can use another TURN server, can't it?
[18:18:15] <Holger> flow, regarding the "unable to connect" question, the PEER might be your contact's TURN server.
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[18:18:43] <flow> ahh the PEER can (or is usually?) another TURN server
[18:18:46] <Holger> (Which may or may not be the same as your own.)
[18:18:52] <Holger> Not usually now.  Sometimes 🙂
[18:18:55] <flow> ahh the PEER can be (or is usually?) another TURN server
[18:18:57] <Holger> s/now/no
[18:19:00] <dwd> Holger, You got a sec to help me with my terrible Erlang?
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[18:21:46] <Holger> flow,
> do you have an idea why it's specified that way?
The idea is: I'm an RTP client and offer my contact's client one or more UDP IP/port combinations to try to talk to me.  My local host IP address, my external address as returned by STUN, and the TURN relay's address.  The contact's client talks to all of them in the same way.
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[18:22:33] <Holger> dwd, on and off right now sorry, just ask and I'll respond later?
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[18:24:06] <dwd> I'm trying to override the SRV lookup to a fixed host. I've added a new outgoing_s2s_override_host (of opt_type econf:string()), and added a resolve/2 call to ejabberd_s2s_out.erl with a case statement, so if it's undefined then [] gets returned (and the DNS lookups happen), but otherwise it'll return [{Host, ejabberd_option:outgoing_s2s_port()}] - but I'm getting a crash with reason {case_clause,"<ip address I configured>"} when I set the option.
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[18:25:17] <Holger> dwd, still that issue, weren't you changing jobs in the meantime? 🙂
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[18:25:40] <dwd> Last day today. Want to get this working before I run out the door.
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[18:26:20] <Holger> dwd, I'm gone for a moment but we'll figure that out for sure.  Maybe just some type issue?  <ip address I configured> being an address tuple rather than a string or vice-versa?
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[18:27:16] <dwd> Holger, No, it's in quotes, so I assume some kind of string. Not a binary, though ("" not <<"">>).
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[18:28:11] <dwd> Holger, But case_clause seems to be generated when there's nop matching branch, but the branches are just undefined (which works) and Host, which doesn't apparently match.
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[18:28:52] <dwd> Holger, Oh, and I've seen the error.
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[18:29:01] <dwd> Holger, Thanks for being my rubber duck.
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[18:31:59] <sch> Hello
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[18:32:01] <sch> I need a guide for building an XMPP bot
[18:32:37] <dwd> sch, What languages do you like working in?
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[18:33:10] <sch> Bash or Python, but I can handle othre languages as well
[18:33:30] <dwd> sch, Look for either slixmpp or aioxmpp.
[18:33:46] <dwd> sch, Both give you example bots in their docs, I believe.
[18:34:09] <sch> Is badlop here? If you are here, please contact me in private, it's about translation for ejabberd web-ui
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[18:34:37] <sch> dwd: Yes, I now read this artice https://slixmpp.readthedocs.io/en/latest/getting_started/echobot.html
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[18:35:24] <dwd> sch, Cool. slixmpp is based on SleekXMPP, which was used for all the example code in the O'Reilly XMPP book, so there's a lot of examples aorund.
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[18:36:41] <sch> Anyone responsible for translation moderation is welcome to contact me
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[18:36:49] <sch> Thank you, dwd
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[18:38:28] <dwd> sch, No problem. You might find more help in other chatrooms though - the docs should have the right ones in.
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[18:44:26] <Holger> dwd: Problem solved?  (`Host` was bound already?)
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[18:45:00] <dwd> Holger, I'd never make such a stupid mistake as that!
[18:45:10] <dwd> Holger, Also, yes, exactly that.
[18:46:08] <dwd> Holger, I mean, it was a function parameter. That was unused; too - but of course it wasn't unused, it was *mis*used...
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[18:47:25] <Holger> 🙂  Everyone does this.  (Elixir syntax avoids this problem, at the cost of others.)
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[18:49:43] <dwd> It's the implicit bind in the case syntax. I wonder if Python 3.10's syntax will have equal/alternate confusion.
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[18:53:53] <Holger> dwd,
> Last day today.
And then you got rid of Erlang?
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[19:23:19] <dwd> Or Erlang got rid of me.
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