Process-one
ejabberd
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Wednesday, February 23, 2022< ^ >
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Room Configuration
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[05:58:21] <riau.pro> I have this warning in the log, is it mean bad?
It seems remote server cannot join to muc hosted on my ejabberd 21.12, any clue what should i do?
```[info] <0.5437.3>@ejabberd_s2s_in:process_closed/2:132 Closing inbound s2s connection chat.domain.tld -> conference.domain.tld: Stream closed by peer: Your server's certificate is not valid for this name (not-authorized)```
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[06:13:54] <Licaon_Kter> riau.pro, and it's true? or it's about the DST intermediate cert?
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[06:17:53] <riau.pro> Don't know Licaon_Kter, openssl on my cert still says, valid until 16 april.
Same cert used on my prosody, no problem with s2s, muc and upload.
Upload on ejabberd works normal.
How to check DST intermediate cert?
[06:18:47] <Licaon_Kter> How do you generate the cert? It has a special parameter to change intermediate to ISRG
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[06:54:40] <riau.pro> acme.sh --issue --dns dns_openprovider -d example.com -d *.example.com  --server letsencrypt   --preferred-chain  "ISRG"
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[07:54:45] <gooya> > acme.sh --issue --dns dns_openprovider -d example.com -d *.example.com  --server letsencrypt   --preferred-chain  "ISRG"
Wasn't the preferred chain "ISRG Root X1"?
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[10:53:29] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: packages made easy?
[10:53:52] <Licaon_Kter> Didn't docker solve that eons ago? :)
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[10:56:48] <Holger> Heh, right.  As you know I'm just too old for this modern rocket science.
[10:56:59] <Holger> https://ejabberd.messaging.one FWIW.
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[10:58:42] <Zash> Docker is out, podman is in!
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[10:58:47] <Zash> Try to keep up 😉
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[11:01:00] <Licaon_Kter> > any non-ancient Linux (x64 or arm64)
So armv6 challenge accepted
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[11:07:25] <Holger> Heh.  Someone was asking for armv71 packages of eturnal just yesterday.  I 'just' need a working crosstool-NG config to add a new platform.  Problem is I'm not into the ARM universe and unsure which of the various knobs to press in order to support which of all those ARM versions.
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[11:09:47] <Licaon_Kter> You can't all
RPi1 is armv6
RPi2 first gen?! is armv7 but maybe arm64 too some revisions
RPi3 and later arm64
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[11:10:18] <Holger> So anything 32-bit is dead, basically?
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[11:12:00] <Zash> Yet there seems to be more i386 users using the Prosody package repo than arm users.
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[11:13:23] <Holger> Hah. Good to know, thanks.
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[11:13:59] <Zash> (only counting currently supported debian+ubuntu versions tho)
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[11:15:10] <Licaon_Kter> > (only counting currently supported debian+ubuntu versions tho)
RPi1's arch was not selected for support by Debian, they started with v7, hence only Raspbian can be used, still supported though, bullseye and all that.
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[11:15:55] <Zash> our arm packagages are actually raspian/raspberry pi os, not debian
[11:16:04] <Licaon_Kter> 👍
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[11:16:16] <Zash> except sid. there's no raspian sid, so those were left as plain debian
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[11:17:10] <Holger> Ah, the packages I'm building are supposed to be 'generic', i.e. they should work on any distro (version).
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[11:17:44] <Holger> Basically like Docker, just packaged up as a DEB/RPM 😉
[11:17:47] <Zash> Fancy. Nothing that ends up with ABI dependencies?
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[11:19:16] <Holger> Everything linked statically, like all the cool kids do these days (ignore everything we learnt during the previous decades!).  Except for depending on glibc 2.17+ (because linking Musl into several binaries would've been too meh even for my taste).
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[11:20:05] <Zash> But static linking is what the hip cool kids do now!
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[11:20:43] <Holger> Yes, I'm trying my best to become one of them!
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[11:21:39] <Zash> Then the secret of Docker is
```
FROM scratch
COPY statically-linked-binary /ejabberd
ENTRYPOINT /ejabberd
```
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[11:22:54] <Holger> I'll leave that part as an excercise for someone else.
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[15:42:38] <Holger> Zash, BTW regarding Debian packaging, I see in <https://prosody.im/download/package_repository#other> that you don't bother with suggesting the `signed-by` option as mention e.g. on <https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/UseThirdParty>.
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[15:43:52] <Holger> Zash, some external site insists on signed-by being a critical security feature, but I'm having a hard time figuring out the attack vector it's protecting against, and an equally hard time finding authoritative docs.
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[15:46:21] <Holger> I mean if the attacker gets hold of my repo, he/she's root on the systems using my repo.  So he/she can execute arbitrary code, such as `rm -rf /`, or modify `signed-by` options, or modify the list of trusted repository keys.  So I must be missing something.
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[15:46:35] <Zash> More that adding `extrepo` was as far as we've gotten with refreshing that page. Patches welcome 😉
[15:47:03] <Holger> My questions is rather, would that patch be welcome and if so, why 🙂
[15:47:20] <Holger> This isn't the official APT channel?
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[15:48:46] <moparisthebest> Licaon_Kter: careful arm people will get angry if you say 'arm64', they'll tell you such a thing has never existed and it's 'aarch64'
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[15:48:47] <Zash> why, because apt-key has been deprecated for ages and instructions are simpler
[15:49:22] <Holger> Ok yes that part I get 🙂
[15:49:23] <Licaon_Kter> moparisthebest: armv6l, armv7 and aarch64, makes senseses
[15:50:37] <moparisthebest> Someone made a GitHub issue on one of my things a couple days ago saying my armv7 binary doesn't work on their armv5 machine and could I supply a binary for them :)
[15:51:24] <Holger> Zash, AFAICS there's three ways to do add your key: (1) apt-key, (2) download into /etc/apt/trusted.d, (3) download into /usr/share/something with a special naming convention and adding [signed-by: prosody-special-name] to the sources.list entry.  I get the point of (2) but not of (3).
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[15:54:25] <Holger> Ok found the commit adding the feature:
> Not immensely useful from a security perspective all by itself
[ https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/apt/-/commit/b0d408547 ]
That matches my impression 😂️
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[15:56:20] <Zash> Holger: I think I mostly care about simplified instructions that are harder to get wrong, rather than minor security benefits.
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[15:57:18] <Holger> Though I don't even get the scenario that commit message does state.  Can't the attacker just revert the mentioned pinning?
[15:57:25] <Zash> I think you can, with some difficulty, pin what packages a repo may provide, which seems sensible. I.e. so we can't just offer glibc with a higher version and everyone installs that
[15:57:59] <Zash> Maybe one day in the future they can remove the thing where it runs postinst scripts as root, and all will be well
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[15:58:48] <Holger> I was just going to say: I would've thought nothing along those lines is of any help at all as long as postinst scripts etc. are run as root, and the package may install processes executed with root permissions.
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[16:00:20] <Holger> >  I think I mostly care about simplified instructions that are harder to get wrong, rather than minor security benefits.
Right.  So I'll stick to /etc/apt/trusted.d for the moment.  Simply because manual download into /usr/share/something sounds really meh to me, so I won't suggest doing so as long as I don't get the point.
[16:00:20] <Zash> Still, small progressive improvements that won't pay off until then can still be done now
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[16:00:38] <Holger> 🤷‍♂️️
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[16:01:11] <Holger> I'll apply them once they are limited to messing around in /etc 🙂
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[16:01:44] <Zash> More and more things can be done without scripts running as root.
[16:01:50] <Zash> Mostly by having systemd do them ....
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