Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, April 7, 2022< ^ >
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Room Configuration
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[14:39:46] <Giovanni> hi people, i'm trying to understand a bit the sql schema of ejabberd, and I would know what are the items in the "spool" table.
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[14:41:19] <Holger> Giovanni, that's the table used by `mod_offline`.
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[14:41:53] <Holger> (The column names are quite self-descriptive I guess?)
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[14:42:57] <Giovanni> Holger ok, I understand. The messages are cancelled when delivered or they stay there for a limited time?
[14:43:18] <Giovanni> (yes, the column names are simple to understand thank you 😃 )
[14:43:32] <Holger> `mod_offline` spools messages if the recipient is online.  Once the recipient goes online, they're delivered and removed from the spool.
[14:43:48] <Holger> If all clients support MAM, the mechanism is redundant.
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[14:44:14] <Holger> `mod_offline` spools messages if the recipient is *offline*, of course.
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[14:44:41] <Giovanni> ok that answers my question, thank you!
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[14:45:12] <Giovanni> but wait a minute. the messages goes to archive only if delivered or I'm getting something wrong?
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[14:45:43] <Giovanni> they are managed by mam also if the recipient is offline?
[14:46:19] <Holger> If MAM is enabled they always go into MAM, regardless of the recipient's presence status.
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[14:46:35] <Holger> The offline spool predates the whole MAM thing.
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[14:47:03] <Holger> So there's old-school clients which don't support MAM.  (Plus there's ways to allow the user to disable MAM storage.)
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[14:47:32] <Holger> So `mod_offline` is still used for those legacy/corner use cases.
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[14:48:01] <Giovanni> ok, thank you (Y)
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[14:48:13] <Zash> The role of mod_offline in the modern world is a thing we (the whole XMPP community) should think about at some point :)
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[14:49:34] <Holger> The difference in behavior from the user's perspective is: `mod_offline` makes sure at least *one* of the recipient's clients receives each message (the first one that comes back online).  `mod_mam` makes sure *all* clients can retrieve all messages they missed while being offline.
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[14:49:38] <Holger> Zash, yeah.
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[15:01:46] <Licaon_Kter> Modern ejabberd even stores offline in mam lol
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[15:12:10] <Zash> "in mam" ?
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[15:13:31] <Licaon_Kter> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod-offline
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[15:15:46] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, not sure anyone besides you and some p1 customers use that option though 😂️
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[15:16:29] <Licaon_Kter> Says MucSub, so maybe I'm not even using it lol
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[15:16:58] <Licaon_Kter> But hey, you've weeded out a bug or two from my reports of obscure features usage
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[15:17:43] <Holger> Yes!  And I remember one being related to this option.  Very sure it's not just about MUC/Sub.  Seems the docs are confused?
[15:18:13] <Licaon_Kter> I didn't remember them being "only" either, else I would not have bothered
[15:18:30] <Licaon_Kter> Maybe the docs are true and I'm confused
badlop ?
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[15:20:42] <Holger> There's really nothing MUC/Sub-specific about that option.  The docs are talking nonsense 🙂
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[15:21:56] <badlop> and i haven't noticed that option before at all
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[15:23:33] <Holger> The entire description is ... quite weirdo.  "This use of the archive table is cleaner and it makes it possible for clients to slowly drop the former offline use case and rely on message archive instead."  What 😂️
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[15:24:44] <Holger> I mean whether or not this is enabled is *entirely transparent* to the client.  (Apart from the 0013 breakage mentioned in the docs.)
[15:25:05] <Zash> Does it store offline messages twice or .. if not, how?
[15:25:34] <Holger> Zash, tries to dedup MAM and offline storage.
[15:25:52] <Holger> I.e. `mod_offline` fetches the messages from the MAM table.
[15:25:52] <Zash> "tries" ... okay then
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[15:26:07] <Holger> Well it's usually successful 🙂
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[15:26:33] <Zash> I've had a thought about things being pointers into the archive
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[15:26:55] <Holger> Yes that's precisely what it's doing.  Just stores a pointer into the MAM archive per account.
[15:27:42] <Zash> If only we had device tracking we could go back to offline messages instead of all this MAM stuff
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[15:28:03] <Holger> But but new devices!!
[15:28:07] <Holger> Web browsers.
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[15:28:37] <Zash> Over 9000 inactive sessions in 3.. 2..
[15:28:44] <Zash> (actual Matrix problem 🙂 )
[15:28:53] <Holger> Heh, yeah.
[15:29:15] <Holger> Even more fun with OMEMO enabled.
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[16:43:36] <Licaon_Kter> senay@404.city: yo
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[16:44:38] <senay@404.city> Licaon_Kter: hello
[16:44:54] <Licaon_Kter> senay@404.city:  Hi there.
What brings you to this corner of the ecosystem?
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[16:46:15] <senay@404.city> i think  ejabberd  :)
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[16:51:43] senay@404.city is now known as senay
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[16:52:08] senay its better now
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[16:53:15] <senay> Licaon_Kter: Never hear about corners in ecosystems ...
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[16:56:44] <senay> Anyway ;) I use some ejabberd instances. Nice product,  almost forgot its running sometimes
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[17:12:02] <kapad> hello. So can i assume, more than 1 node around the globe handle this server ?
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[17:19:59] <Licaon_Kter> senay:
> Never hear about corners in ecosystems ...
You do now :))
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[17:21:59] <kapad> my mistake looking at ejabberd.im
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[17:27:42] <kapad> Licaon_Kter: if not busy, can i ask something ?
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[17:31:36] <kapad> are DAT/DCD/DCL, the files of mnesia database ? Are more ? I'll try to test same ejabberd config, with mnesia vs sqlite3, and i want to know so to make size compares
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[17:49:54] <Licaon_Kter> Iirc yes
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[17:55:28] <kapad> any general performance notices, between sql/mnesia/sqlite3 or somehow the server behave around the same, just depending on external things like user/traffic. what behave more good in what ?
Or this is a **big** discussion ?
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[19:23:19] <ij> @mike Do you think that your ejabberd-auth-mastodon can be modified to be more relaxed when auth backend is absent, i.e. on Mastodon or PostgreSQL restart? Currently the extauth in ejabberd seems to fail and ejabberd needs a full restart in that case, which does have quite an impact to the users. But honestly I have no idea how to achieve this… :)
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[19:28:57] <ij> otherwise I would also appreciate when a reload-config would also restart extauth scripts…
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