Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, April 11, 2022< ^ >
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Room Configuration
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[00:23:41] <Licaon_Kter> sunblade: it moved since that blogpost, do try and report back
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[06:46:29] <Holger> The current Jitsi Meet version depends on custom functionality not available in ejabberd.
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[06:49:35] <Licaon_Kter> Funny/Sad enough maybe not even in Prosody
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[12:21:44] <gooya> I'm wondering is anyone aware if XEP-0319 is currently implemented in Ejabberd or not?
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[12:22:43] <gooya> I still gotta make a list for myself with all the available XEP'S in ejabberd..
[12:23:08] <MattJ> This XEP doesn't require server support that I can see
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[12:23:38] <Licaon_Kter> > I still gotta make a list for myself with all the available XEP'S in ejabberd..
_Gotta catch them all_
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[12:27:10] <gooya> > This XEP doesn't require server support that I can see
Ooww.. I thought for this specific XEP that the server must have some kind of implementation? I read through https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0319.html and didn't find something about that.
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[12:27:42] <gooya> > _Gotta catch them all_
🤔😂
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[13:46:10] <sunblade> holger: Does that mean that it is impossible to make Jitsi Meet work with ejabberd? Or is there a workaround that involves keeping Prosody with Jitsi Meet?
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[13:49:54] <Holger> sunblade: Right now it's impossible.
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[13:50:42] <Holger> I'm still pondering with adding the missing bits to ejabberd. I definitely would if they'd promise they won't keep adding custom stuff in the future 😉
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[13:54:41] <Holger> Then again. For our specific environment @work there's some advantages in using the same server for regular XMPP and Meet. But I do see advantage in keeping them separate as well. I guess the vast majority of users makes no use of Meet's XMPP interop. And it's relatively easy to kill the whole service (with or without malicious intent) via Meet.
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[13:57:18] <sunblade> Ok. Thanks for the info. Saves me a big headache, lol. I guess I'll run them on different servers (with IP addresses) to avoid port overlap between ejabberd and prosody.
[13:57:34] <sunblade> with *different IP addresses
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[14:09:39] <sunblade> What if Jitsi Meet and it's instance of Prosody run on custom ports that avoid conflict with Ejabberd? Perhaps that could work?
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[14:11:32] <sunblade> Would probably require modifying the Jitsi Meet (Android) app as I don't see a custom port option.
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[14:16:23] <Holger> Which ports exactly are you worried about?
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[14:17:35] <Holger> BOSH/WebSocket or the A/V stuff?
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[14:19:02] <Licaon_Kter> You gotta define the websocket address, you setup a subdomain, etc' these are xmpp normal settings, so you can use SRVs afaik for ports and such
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[14:19:59] <sunblade> Was thinking 5222 and the TURN/STUN ports would be problematic.
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[14:20:41] <Holger> 5222 isn't used by Meet. STUN/TURN usually isn't either.
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[14:21:46] <Licaon_Kter> They can 0215 for stun/turn, right?
[14:21:46] <Holger> (Ok it's used as fallback for p2p mode and for clients who fail to connect to the default Videobridge UDP port.)
[14:21:54] <Holger> Yep.
[14:22:05] <Holger> So you can specify an arbitrary port.
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[14:22:19] <Licaon_Kter> 5222 maybe too, focus and jvb need to be admins/users
[14:22:43] <Holger> Ah right they do log in using plain XMPP.
[14:23:01] <Holger> But they look up SRV as you said.
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[14:27:45] <gooya> Holger: Sorry for pinging this topic again, but do you know whether XEP-0319 should be implemented on the server-side or client-side?
[14:28:12] <Holger> Client-side, as Matt said.
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[14:28:33] <gooya> Alright thanks for the confirmation
[14:29:12] <Holger> Conversations uses it for that (somewhat hidden) last online timestamp.
[14:29:37] <Holger> And Swift.im supports (and invented) it.
[14:29:50] <gooya> > Conversations uses it for that (somewhat hidden) last online timestamp.
Oh what? Where is this located?
[14:29:57] <gooya> I might have overlooked it all this time
[14:30:06] <Holger> Contact details.
[14:30:30] <Holger> I think it's opt-in.
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[14:30:42] <Holger> Because we're all privacy people.
[14:31:23] <gooya> I can't seem to find it in contact details
[14:32:32] <gooya> Eventhought I and my other contact has all options enabled regarding presence and broadcast
[14:32:44] <gooya> Eventhought I and my contact has all options enabled regarding presence and broadcast
[14:33:33] <Holger> https://jabber.fu-berlin.de/share/holger/QAUyGdBc0eUfY5kG/eiwKPgX6Sj-yHKFWY54Cyg.jpg
[14:34:31] <Holger> It's the third knob.
[14:34:31] <Holger> https://jabber.fu-berlin.de/share/holger/OFVlJQPhXHxOirh2/bWhIGPbmRbOp9asMYZ_I0Q.jpg
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[14:37:58] <gooya> https://xmpp.404.city:5280/usershare/9012b254356e262f969c54abdb7ea4296bec7ec8/oit24hlPfj6daZyvhh8yhEfJBWeCjSxRwQlIjCxn/Oyl1xQBNRvGB-RylXO_HnA.jpg
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[14:39:59] <Holger> The feature is hit and miss. Your peer must have that knob enabled, maybe re-login, and send that presence while you're online.
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[14:40:19] <Holger> A proper solution would involve server support indeed 🙂
[14:41:09] <Zash> My impression is that it causes a lot of useless extra traffic for something few care for anymore.
[14:41:21] <gooya> > The feature is hit and miss. Your peer must have that knob enabled, maybe re-login, and send that presence while you're online.
I just relogged and my contact as well now it shows up :). Imo it's a pretty neat feature. Eventhough it's privacy unfriendly everyone is still able to choose for themselves whether to enable it or not.
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[14:41:54] <Zash> Like, a presence broadcast every time you touch your phone seems excessive and sorta privacy-invasive
[14:42:07] <Holger> Zash: Yeah the implementation is meh. The feature itself is quite popular among normal mortals.
[14:42:25] <Zash> I thought mere mortals only cared about "read up to this point" among messages?
[14:42:36] <Zash> Or was that the argument for not having Presence in a certain other protocol?
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[14:42:57] <gooya> > My impression is that it causes a lot of useless extra traffic for something few care for anymore.
I think you are somewhat right but I think in order for 'normal' people to move to xmpp this feature is kind neat to implement.
[14:43:00] <Holger> (It's probably a bit better than presence at offering what presence wants to offer.)
[14:43:18] <gooya> > My impression is that it causes a lot of useless extra traffic for something few care for anymore.
I think you are somewhat right but I think in order for 'normal' people to move to xmpp this feature is kinda neat to implement.
[14:43:50] <Holger> > I thought mere mortals only cared about "read up to this point" among messages?
That's what Daniel believes how WhatsApp users work 🙂
[14:43:51] <Zash> Oh, is this the _one_ thing preventing XMPP adoption?
[14:43:57] <Holger> Exactly.
[14:44:30] <Holger> WhatsApp offers it and at least some fraction of users does use it to get an idea of the peer's availability.
[14:44:39] <gooya> > Oh, is this the _one_ thing preventing XMPP adoption?
nope not at all but this among some other thing may ease some users to transition
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[14:44:58] <Holger> I mean my wife uses it so it's kinda critical by definition.
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[14:45:46] <Holger> If I was Daniel I'd just fall back to the timestamp of the last stanza I've seen. Or if all else fails a random timestamp. Makes users happy.
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[14:47:04] <Zash> At least rate-limit it.
[14:47:10] <gooya> I might make a feature request ticket about this ^^
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[14:47:56] <Holger> > I just relogged and my contact as well now it shows up :). Imo it's a pretty neat feature. Eventhough it's privacy unfriendly everyone is still able to choose for themselves whether to enable it or not.
Yes, I see no problem at all as long as you can disable it. (Presence is privacy unfriendly as well.) But the solution is super-inefficient right now, and unreliable on top.
[14:47:58] <Zash> Another thing that would help make it less inefficient is presence deduplication serverside
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[14:49:25] <gooya> > Yes, I see no problem at all as long as you can disable it. (Presence is privacy unfriendly as well.) But the solution is super-inefficient right now, and unreliable on top.
So for this implementation, it has to be on the server side. Which means someone must come up with a new draft of an XEP?
[14:49:41] <gooya> > Yes, I see no problem at all as long as you can disable it. (Presence is privacy unfriendly as well.) But the solution is super-inefficient right now, and unreliable on top.
So for this implementation to be successful, it has to be on the server side. Which means someone must come up with a new draft of an XEP?
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[14:50:25] <Zash> No XEP needed for things that happen inside servers
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[14:54:44] <Holger> gooya: It's not like the proper solution (and therefore the server's exact role within this solution) is immediately obvious.
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[14:54:54] <Holger> But if you ask me: yes.
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