Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, May 5, 2022< ^ >
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Room Configuration
Room Occupants

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[00:00:08] coockie leaves the room: Disconnected: closed
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[00:30:03] insanity leaves the room
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[02:01:58] agates leaves the room: Disconnected: Hibernating too long
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[02:15:55] coockie leaves the room: Disconnected: closed
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[05:13:45] chrys leaves the room: Disconnected: Replaced by new connection
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[10:06:06] <Holger> Maybe a useful tool for some of you: https://github.com/sile/erldash
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[10:28:54] <ta> Even erlang tools are written in rust now ;)
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[10:29:11] <Holger> _Client_ Tools, yeah 🙂
[10:29:46] <Holger> https://docs.rs/erl_dist/latest/erl_dist/
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[10:31:04] <Holger> Erlang/OTP ships a similar library for C.  So it's kinda more like "Rust instead of C" than "instead of Erlang"
[10:33:00] <ta> I guessed that. Everything needs to be rewritten every couple of years.
[10:33:58] <Holger> Right.  Once all the rewriting is done, the next cool language enters the show and we gotta start from scratch.
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[10:34:18] <Holger> Rust didn't even wait for everything being rewritten in Go.
[10:35:11] <Holger> But I do think Rust makes a lot of sense as a C replacement.  Less so for replacing higher level langauges.
[10:35:36] <Zash> Isn't Go more of a Java replacement?
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[10:36:38] <Holger> Didn't it replaced _everything_?  Until Rust came along, which is this year's replacement for everything.
[10:36:49] <Holger> Didn't it replace _everything_?  Until Rust came along, which is this year's replacement for everything.
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[10:39:04] <Holger> I think initially, they marketed Go as a C replacement as well.  But there's obviously cases where you'd rather avoid GC (kernel, maybe super-restricted embedded and stuff), so you'd typically prefer Rust there I guess.
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[10:40:35] <Zash> But Rust is more of a C++ replacement. One does not simply replace the 50 year old C!
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[10:40:46] <Holger> 🙂
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[10:44:18] <Holger> For a typical Internet daemon, I'd actually prefer Go over Rust.  Rust still bothers me (in its unique way) with memory management, and it's kinda verbose.  Why on earth would I want that.  Rust people respond "but but no GC! performance!!".  Which sounds just like the C people back then (and then their software fell apart under load because they got the design all wrong).
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[10:45:14] <ta> I keep the C++ Rust comparison in mind. I doubt Rust will get inside crucial parts of kernels soon. Once you leave amd64 and aarch64, rust support is not that good anymore. C will probably outlive us
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[10:46:00] <Holger> Then again, compared to Erlang, I do see how there's some value in a language being popular …
[10:46:41] <Zash> I think of C as a glue language, something you use when you need to weld two things together and you're serious about it. (Possibly influenced by gluing various C libraries to Lua)
[10:47:15] <Holger> ta, yeah but part of that is of course just due to C having been ubiquitous for decades, so you can't easily replace it as a glue language (heh Zash was quicker).
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[10:48:09] <Holger> But I guess I'd prefer Rust if I started a new kernel.  Unless SPARC support is still critical for some reason.
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[10:49:42] <Holger> Significant parts of ejabberd are in C, makes no sense to burn resources by rewriting them in Rust of course.
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[10:50:37] <Holger> (But <https://docs.rs/erlang_nif-sys> does exist.)
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[11:00:52] <ta> I read OpenBSD people ranting about rust and how resource hungry it is on compile time. But then again. If you don't cross compile old architectures have trouble with new technology.
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[11:01:33] <ta> And by openbsd people i mean theo de raadt ;-)
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[11:03:41] <Holger> I come from a NetBSD background (we cross-compile all archs on a single system!) and remember his rants 🙂
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[11:08:27] <ta> I have netbsd on my todo list. `if (spare_time > 0)`
[11:08:45] <Holger> 🙂
[11:09:02] <pchmielowski> If you want to user rust with erlang https://github.com/rusterlium/rustler is a tool to use
[11:09:08] <ta> Sorry for getting OT...
[11:09:54] <Holger> pchmielowski, that's a nicer alternative to <https://docs.rs/erlang_nif-sys>?
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[11:10:59] <Holger> "The library provides functionality for both Erlang and Elixir, however Elixir is favored as of now" pfft.
[11:11:25] <pchmielowski> Oh yeah, -sys are just direct interfaces to c libs (more or less like .h files), while rustler offers higher level stuff
[11:11:35] <Holger> Ahh.
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[11:13:52] <Holger> ta, bit more technical focus (and even more fanatic insisting on the _clean_ solution) vs. ranting in my book.
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[11:17:03] <Holger> But the other page in my book says that they're all falling behind too much, because they have no more manpower/$$$ than XMPP.
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[11:18:25] <ta> Maybe i should grep some old mailing lists for "Holger" ;)
[11:18:41] <Holger> 🙂
[11:18:51] <Holger> I'd probably miss systemd if I'd go back …
[11:19:46] <ta> Compared to NetBSD, OpenBSD seems blessed with developers. But then again we are celebrating the introduction for 10 year old wifi standards just yet.
[11:19:52] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> (: ?
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[11:21:48] <Holger> I guess the long beards are still ranting that this modern crap is all evil.  Back in the days the BSDs were innovating, these days they just appear old school.
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[11:25:45] <Zash> Computers were a mistake!!!!1
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[11:40:06] <Holger> Still waiting for Georg to offer a job on his potato farm.
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[11:44:02] <Zash> Me? Why indeed.
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[11:44:57] <Holger> Me!
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[11:48:18] <Holger> I pretend to coach a (kids) soccer team in my spare time and if I'm fully honest this usually ends up being more fun than sitting in front of a computer. But that earns me 100 €/month, not sure that makes the family happy.
[11:48:43] <Zash> Money can't buy happiness!
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[11:49:33] <Holger> Tell them!!
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[11:55:01] <Licaon_Kter> The old "job is no fun" let me do "other" ?
Yeah, now reverse the situation... same logic applies.
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[11:55:30] <Holger> Probably.
[11:55:40] <Holger> Esp. if it's raining during soccer training.
[11:55:52] <Holger> (Or potato farming.)
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[11:57:22] <Zash> I did some math and arrived at needing 700m² to survive. Probably less further south.
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[12:39:09] <raucao> hi. does anyone here know if STUN still doesn't work with ldap auth, as someone commented here in 2016? https://stackoverflow.com/a/38642552
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[12:39:46] <raucao> i get "Failed long-term STUN/TURN authentication" when trying to use it
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[12:41:14] <Zash> Not using short-term credentials?
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[12:43:20] <raucao> is that an option?
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[12:44:31] <Zash> That's current practice afaik, via XEP-0215.
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[12:45:16] <raucao> ah, thanks
[12:45:25] <raucao> not sure where my config came from when i set it up
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[12:45:40] <raucao> but i think the TURN implementation was fairly new then
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[12:46:21] <raucao> however, i only have use_turn, the ip and ports set
[12:46:29] <raucao> so it should be whatever is default
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[12:48:13] <raucao> ... in 20.12 :)
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[12:50:08] <egnun> To the documentation folks at ProcessOne, (Holger)
You might want to update your how to on updating ejabberd.
https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/upgrade/
I just noticed, that its missing a sentence about copying the new service file (ejabberd.service) to the systemd folder.
So the user has to do something like:
# cp ejabberd-21.12/bin/ejabberd.service /etc/systemd/system/
# systemctl daemon-reload
# systemctl restart ejabberd.service
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[12:51:53] <egnun> By the way I only happend to notice that, because I accidentally saw, that it was still showing the old version in the admin interface.
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[13:02:09] <Holger> raucao: You need `mod_stun_disco: {}`.
[13:02:20] <raucao> i have that enabled
[13:02:30] <raucao> without custom options
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[13:02:51] <raucao> however, i just saw in the doc that i might have to configure a secret when using a cluster?
[13:02:54] <Holger> egnun: Should be fixed with the new packages which should be published for the upcoming release.
[13:03:02] <Holger> raucao: Yes.
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[13:03:10] <raucao> cool, that must be it then. thx
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[13:05:04] <Holger> raucao: Or, well, depends on whether the client might be pointed to a different node for TURN.
[13:05:32] <raucao> it really shouldn't be
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[13:06:08] <raucao> i use tcp forwarding with haproxy and i think it should stay on the same backend server for the same client
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[13:23:14] <Holger> You don't offer TURN via UDP?
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[13:23:38] <Holger> In that case you would not need to explicitly specify a secret after all.
[13:23:53] <Holger> But can't hurt trying to track this down.
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[13:44:06] <raucao> ok, so i think i had a configuration mismatch with the automatically announced services
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[13:44:12] <raucao> (haproxy cannot do udp)
[13:45:26] <raucao> now i configured tls and tcp with the right port as a listener and it works!
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[13:45:31] <raucao> well, mostly
[13:45:43] <raucao> some clients still have issues, but i did do a call from dino to conversations and from dino to beagle
[13:46:06] <raver> Holger: saw you speaking about rust for a new kernel, have you seen redux https://www.redox-os.org/ yet? I'm looking forward to try it out😊
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[13:50:46] <Holger> I've seen the web site yes, but just that 🙂
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[14:00:07] <badlop> egnun: ok, added: https://github.com/processone/docs.ejabberd.im/commit/f256878ccfcfcdfec12bd95aa53ee4c04bf6de64
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[14:05:35] <Holger> badlop: Unnecessary for the `make-binaries`-built packages BTW.  But won't hurt.
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[15:32:13] <egnun> Thanks, Holger and badlop. :-)
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[17:55:15] <lucas> Wanted to update my ejabberd 21.07 source install so that I can include Holger's recent fix with push to Monal. Read the doc notes on update tips. Archiving mnesia and then extracting will preserve must users etc. I guess but I'm wondering: do I need to backup my ejabberd.yml too or is that not overwritten by make install if it already exists?
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[17:56:52] <lucas> Also anything else I should backup? I am using sqlite so I think that should be ok
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[18:12:50] <badlop> I think config files are not overwritten, in any of the install methods available for ejabberd. But it doesn't hurt to keep a backup,right?
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[18:13:16] <badlop> In "make install"
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/bc9e5c5363125dd4688dacccc11136f7f4d0ad91/Makefile.in#L315
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[18:30:12] <lucas> badlop: looks like they're not, thanks
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[19:51:07] <lucas> > I remember someone reporting this in here a few weeks ago, and now Thilo was able to reproduce and pinged me again.  Just pushed a fix.
Oops, I think this is still on your fork from what I can see (b5a76fb). Any estimate on when this will be merged with master?
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[19:51:47] <lucas> > I remember someone reporting this in here a few weeks ago, and now Thilo was able to reproduce and pinged me again.  Just pushed a fix.
Oops, I think this is still on Holger's fork from what I can see (b5a76fb). Any idea on when this will be merged with master?
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