Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, October 13, 2022< ^ >
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Room Configuration
Room Occupants

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[11:58:50] <gooya> Licaon_Kter: The updating of dependencies?
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[12:59:01] <Licaon_Kter> gooya: the tagging of dependencies and the update to point to those tags is a step beforu a new version tag, yup
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[12:59:05] <Licaon_Kter> gooya: the tagging of dependencies and the update to point to those tags is a step before a new version tag, yup
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[13:51:24] <gooya> 🎉🎉
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[13:52:07] <gooya> Licaon_Kter: You're always so up to date about every project related to xmpp
[13:52:14] <gooya> How come so?
[13:52:25] <gooya> Feeds?
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[13:52:45] <Licaon_Kter> If I tell U my fren, I'd have to kil U
[13:53:48] <gooya> o_O
[13:54:10] <gooya> Please don't I wanna live long enough to see reactions and sasl2 wide implementation
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[13:56:31] <gooya> Kind of an off-topic question, but would it be likely or highly unlikely for xmpp to get widely used by the average consumer in 10 years?
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[13:56:47] <Licaon_Kter> gooya: that's up to you, zealot more
[13:57:14] <gooya> Especially since open-source projects struggle hard with resources
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[13:57:46] <Licaon_Kter> U R its most valued resource, use...ur sef
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[13:57:50] <Licaon_Kter> U R its most valued resource, use...ur self
[13:57:50] <MattJ> gooya, it depends what you mean by "XMPP"
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[13:58:15] <gooya> my bad, not the protocol itself but the IM capabilities and modern clients using it
[13:58:18] <Licaon_Kter> RFC+XEP lol
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[14:00:43] <gooya> I feel like development keeps growing steadily and reliably while active users keeps stagnant. Something like matrix which grows unreliably fast in both features and active users is doomed to fail at some point right
[14:01:08] <gooya> I feel like XMPP development keeps growing steadily and reliably while active users keeps stagnant. Something like matrix which grows unreliably fast in both features and active users is doomed to fail at some point right
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[14:01:35] <MattJ> What makes you think active users is stagnant?
[14:02:28] <gooya> Just an assumption based on the amount of users in the more popular MUC's, which I've been in for several years now
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[14:03:12] <MattJ> Every public MUC I'm in (an I'm in many) has been growing in the past years
[14:03:46] <MattJ> But many people don't use IM for public chatrooms
[14:04:25] <gooya> True. Is there any graph or resource which shows XMPP IM user adoption?
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[14:05:04] <MattJ> No, it's hard to do accurately, though I wish there was historical data for https://search.jabber.network/stats
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[14:05:17] <gooya> Ofcourse something like this wouldn't be completely accurate as there are many many private non-listed servers
[14:05:26] <MattJ> Exactly
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[14:05:48] <Zash> Goes contrary to privacy related goals too
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[14:07:08] <gooya> > No, it's hard to do accurately, though I wish there was historical data for https://search.jabber.network/stats
Thanks for the link. It kinda suprises me that more then half of the servers operate using prosody. I've always thought ejabberd was the biggest market leader?
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[14:08:28] <MattJ> I'm not sure why ejabberd is low in that table... in most data I ever look at, both are usually just under 50%
[14:08:52] <Zash> More popular for public channels mayhaps?
[14:09:23] <gooya> Zash: I thought prosody MUC was still behaving a bit buggy at times?
[14:09:37] <MattJ> Heh, what?
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[14:10:03] <Zash> And here I thought Prosody MUC had all the features people wanted, while ejabberd lags behind
[14:10:21] <Zash> (if you include a whole pile of 3rd party plugins, as is customary with Prosody)
[14:10:44] <gooya> Nevermind, I thought I've read in the prosody MUC a while back that MUC component was behaving buggy but I might be wrong.
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[14:12:20] <MattJ> I ran a Prosody for a company hosting over a million MUCs. I'm pretty sure I'd be aware of important MUC bugs :)
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[14:13:05] <MattJ> But nobody using that service knew they were using XMPP, which goes back to the exact definition of "XMPP user" problem
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[14:14:00] <MattJ> I think that the protocol being successful, and open federating messaging being successful are two (related but) different things
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[14:46:42] <MR> Hi, I need some help with a module development/modification, can I post my question here, or you have another place for such questions?
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[15:26:51] <tekdmn> Bit late to the party here, but I think a decently-sized issue with XMPP adoption is that just about every chat client looks like something from back when your entire family shared an AIM username.
Gaijim looks the "best" by my comparisons, and Gaijim and Element for Matrix are near identical in terms of UI.
Plus the lack of any real central hub server (like, say, matrix.org, as long as it's already in the conversation) means users don't really have "anywhere to go" unless they know where they're going. There's no "join a public room" button for XMPP
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[15:30:18] <tekdmn> As long as I'm here, I have to ask. XMPP (the protocol): is there any reason that *some* `xmlns` attributes are a proper URL (say, for MUC), but others are just a URN instead?
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[15:34:00] <MR> Licaon_Kter:
I'm using this module "https://github.com/longdt/ejabberd_mod_offline_post.git" to send a post request to my own API when a user received and message while he is offline.
My issue/need is to send the raw stanza to my API as JSON object, I have followed 2 crash course about Erlang but still can't figure out how to do that.
I can convert the "Message" tuple to string using this command `lists:flatten(io_lib:format("~p", [Message])).` but I can't parse that string in my API as it is in not supported format and can't extract any information from it.
The current code sends me the from, to and message fields, but I need the ID, timestamp, and any other custom/special XML content.
[15:34:22] <MR> Licaon_Kter:
I'm using this module "https://github.com/longdt/ejabberd_mod_offline_post.git" to send a post request to my own API when a user received a message while he is offline.
My issue/need is to send the raw stanza to my API as JSON object, I have followed 2 crash course about Erlang but still can't figure out how to do that.
I can convert the "Message" tuple to string using this command `lists:flatten(io_lib:format("~p", [Message])).` but I can't parse that string in my API as it is in not supported format and can't extract any information from it.
The current code sends me the from, to and message fields, but I need the ID, timestamp, and any other custom/special XML content.
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[15:39:08] <Licaon_Kter> tekdmn: why should there be a centralized server entity under god knows whos control in a decentralized federated protocol?
[15:40:03] <tekdmn> I never said there *should* be, but the existence of one (or pseudo-existence) is at least some stepping-off point.
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[15:40:52] <Zash> tekdmn, the answer is "historical reasons"
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[15:41:05] <tekdmn> Of course.
[15:41:10] <Licaon_Kter> tekdmn: users don't NEED to go anywhere, they can chat between themselves, start channels and groups.
Some are public, some are advertised via https://search.jabber.network (press Discover in Conversations)
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[15:41:55] <tekdmn> Licaon_Kter, I think you somewhat misunderstand what I was trying to say
[15:42:36] <Licaon_Kter> tekdmn: matrix dot org is under the control of the same people that sell the matrix dream for $30mil, of course they push that first, hell their apps don't even start if they can't phone-home
https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues/7078
[15:43:18] <Zash> You can use it to estimate age of the protocol part, very early things used jabber:x:blah (which is illegal), then later came http://jabber.org/protocol/foobar for a while, urn:ietf:something:something from like 2004 during the days of IETF standardization, then finally proper urn:xmpp:blah in recent years
[15:43:19] <Licaon_Kter> *matrix dream = slack killer = metaverse contender
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[15:43:34] <tekdmn> Uh, where did you hear about *that* one?
[15:43:42] <Licaon_Kter> tekdmn: ?
[15:43:51] <tekdmn> "matrix dream"
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[15:45:02] <Licaon_Kter> > *matrix dream = slack killer = metaverse contender
[15:45:20] <PatRiot> https://www.process-one.net/blog/matrix-protocol-added-to-ejabberd
[15:45:22] <tekdmn> I'm also 90% certain that app issue is because it's making the assumption that most people using Matrix are using the matrix dot org homeserver as they don't want to run their own (an assumption that's more or less accurate), and so fails it's initial attempt to refresh.
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[15:46:03] <Licaon_Kter> tekdmn: read that again louder
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[15:46:19] <tekdmn> I read what you said, I'm asking for a source for it?
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[15:46:58] <Licaon_Kter> Source of what? Slack killer? Their PRs. Metaverse contender? Their TWIM, etc, it's all public
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[15:47:05] <tekdmn> the matrix foundation, at the moment, is designing a protocol. The usage of that protocol for anything else isn't in their direct control, though they'll promote interesting-looking projects to gain awareness.
[15:47:35] <Licaon_Kter> Why did you come here to repeat their lies?
[15:47:43] <Licaon_Kter> What was the point?
[15:47:59] <tekdmn> Actually I've been here since I set up my own ejabberd server
[15:48:21] <Licaon_Kter> Which part of "$30mil" was unclear?
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[15:48:51] <Licaon_Kter> Do you read the XMPP Newsletter?
[15:49:38] <tekdmn> Didn't know there was one
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[15:51:02] <Licaon_Kter> But you know all the matrix propaganda?
https://xmpp.org/categories/newsletter/ ;)
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[15:51:27] <tekdmn> as in, the one newsletter they publish every week that *everyone* shares?
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[15:52:08] <TheCoffeMaker> Sounds like propaganda
[15:52:19] <TheCoffeMaker> ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯
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[15:53:08] <Zash> > Plus the lack of any real central hub server
jabber.org ? it already won, by becoming largely irrelevant. that is the goal of a federated communications protocol
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[15:55:27] <Licaon_Kter> tekdmn: it's monthly, not sure what you think "they means" and didn't see anyone, but me, sharing
Or what are you talking about? :)
[15:55:53] <Licaon_Kter> tekdmn: it's monthly, not sure what you think "they" means and didn't see anyone, but me, sharing
Or what are you talking about? :)
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[15:59:06] <Licaon_Kter> https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/EsLmB5azTmc2r4NVx6OBnn32o5TFkA4eGMHjHBVi/oKPJ8dPMT5qWSS0xYTlYYg.jpg
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[16:03:44] <Licaon_Kter> > Which part of "$30mil" was unclear?
> Do you read the XMPP Newsletter?
Else you'd have known that client development is kept alive by EU grants and private donations.
Every "but I just asked a question vs manrix" new-person coming around appers to have amnesy when in comes to the massive budget matrixdotorg has used to get where it is. They read "open" protocol and "open" source and put xmpp on equal footing, ffs.
[16:03:54] <Licaon_Kter> > Which part of "$30mil" was unclear?
> Do you read the XMPP Newsletter?
Else you'd have known that xmpp client development is kept alive by EU grants and private donations.
Every "but I just asked a question vs manrix" new-person coming around appers to have amnesy when in comes to the massive budget matrixdotorg has used to get where it is. They read "open" protocol and "open" source and put xmpp on equal footing, ffs.
[16:04:05] <Licaon_Kter> > Which part of "$30mil" was unclear?
> Do you read the XMPP Newsletter?
Else you'd have known that xmpp client development is kept alive by EU grants and private donations.
Every "but I just asked a question vs matrix" new-person coming around appers to have amnesy when in comes to the massive budget matrixdotorg has used to get where it is. They read "open" protocol and "open" source and put xmpp on equal footing, ffs.
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[16:05:21] <Licaon_Kter> Yeah, $30mil buy you a lot of developers, to try to make that Slack killer, to be a member of OpenVerse along with Mozilla and Meta.
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[16:07:10] <Licaon_Kter> tekdmn:
> I'm also 90% certain that app issue is because it's making the assumption
Read their excuses...it's intentional...as designed...users are dumb, they need the comfort of the one server, need not lead them astray....they used to silos, one server under god.
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[16:07:57] <Licaon_Kter> tekdmn:
> Actually I've been here since I set up my own ejabberd server
So, did you help xmpp with your hub?
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[17:04:14] <MR> Can anybody help me with this please
I'm using this module "https://github.com/longdt/ejabberd_mod_offline_post.git" to send a post request to my own API when a user received a message while he is offline.
My issue/need is to send the raw stanza to my API as JSON object, I have followed 2 crash course about Erlang but still can't figure out how to do that.
I can convert the "Message" tuple to string using this command `lists:flatten(io_lib:format("~p", [Message])).` but I can't parse that string in my API as it is in not supported format and can't extract any information from it.
The current code sends me the from, to and message fields, but I need the ID, timestamp, and any other custom/special XML content.
[17:07:03] <Licaon_Kter> What's the usecase exactly that's not covered by MAM already? I fail to understand 😛
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[17:08:27] <MR> We need to send a push notification, we are going to use our API to format and send the notification throw FireBase
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[17:09:33] <Zash> Is it not possible to hook into the XMPP push notifications then?
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[17:11:31] <MR> Zash:
[17:11:46] <MR> Zash: How to do that?
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[17:13:37] <Licaon_Kter> MR: ejabberd can send push, eg. Host your own https://github.com/iNPUTmice/p2
[17:14:21] <MR> Checking, thanks
[17:14:22] <Licaon_Kter> Also, pls don't send messages VIA push to Google and Apple if the content is not encrypted
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[17:16:00] <Licaon_Kter> MR: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod-push
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[17:17:07] <MR> > Also, pls don't send messages VIA push to Google and Apple if the content is not encrypted
Good point
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[17:36:43] <MR> > MR: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod-push
I didn't find how to set the "app servers" URL, and as far as I understand it will send only the sender JID and the message body isn't it?
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[17:37:57] <MR> > MR: https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod-push
I didn't find how to set the "app servers" URL, and as far as I understand it will send only the sender JID and the message body, isn't it?
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[17:58:08] <tmolitor> MR: the app itself has to register the appserver alongside with the appserver jid
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[17:59:03] <tmolitor> Maybe the documentation for my appserver will help you to understand how it works: http://github.com/tmolitor-stud-tu/mod_push_appserver
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[18:00:19] <tmolitor> You could read the standard, too: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0357.html
[18:00:30] <MR> thanks tmolitor:, checking
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