Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Saturday, October 15, 2022< ^ >
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[00:26:25] <kapad> as i expected i have already start to read the web logs, mention before, so,
- 1st)  i have a ``positive`` comment: remove the join/part messages ...
- 2nd) or someone can open the javascript console of the browser, and make the magic
```
  [...document.querySelectorAll('font:not(.mn)'),...document.querySelectorAll('a.ts')].forEach(l=>l.style.display='none')
```
or make a `TrimEjabberdWebLogs` bookmarklet:
```
javascript:(()=>{ [...document.querySelectorAll('font:not(.mn)'),...document.querySelectorAll('a.ts')].forEach(l=>l.style.display='none'); })();
```
:)
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[01:04:30] <kapad> or, of course if you need something more ... professional, you can try this:
```
javascript:(()=>{  
       [...document.querySelectorAll('font:not(.mn)'),...document.querySelectorAll('a.ts'),...document.querySelectorAll('br')].forEach(l=>l.remove());
       document.querySelectorAll('font').forEach(l=>document.querySelector('body').insertBefore(document.createElement('pre'),l));  
})();
```
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[01:11:49] <kapad> ^ so reading is easier, privacy is better and DOM hides nothing.
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[09:15:16] <benk> Hello I'm interested in Matrix support
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[09:15:48] <Kris> enterprise edition only for now
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[09:16:12] <Kris> but seems promising.
[09:16:48] <benk> How many years until community?
[09:17:06] <benk> I'd like to play with it but I doubt my server has the necessary amount of storage
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[09:51:21] <kapad> what that means, ?
```
@mod_avatar:publish_avatar/5:319 Failed to publish avatar data for user@vhost.com/pi3: {stanza_error,
                                                             auth,undefined,
                                                             forbidden,[],[]}
```
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[09:57:23] <Licaon_Kter> kapad: which client?
[09:58:12] <kapad> psi
config is this, http://paste.debian.net/1257135/
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[10:01:58] <kapad> i take back this,
<iq xml:lang="en" type="error" to="user" from="server" id="3dc97b09-bbdd-4b0a-a960-6e0f1a8f6a60">
<vCard xmlns="vcard-temp">
<PHOTO>
<BINVAL>
.....
</BINVAL>
<TYPE>image/jpeg</TYPE>
</PHOTO>
<URL>http://kapad.localhost/</URL>
</vCard>
<error type="auth">
<forbidden xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas"/>
</error>
</iq>
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[10:06:23] <kapad> , still other vhost on same server works with no problem
[10:06:29] <kapad> , still other vhosts on same server works with no problem
[10:08:09] <kapad> ^ http://paste.debian.net/plain/1257135
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[14:56:49] <MR> Hi
I have a question about any limit to number of MUCs that I can create on my server, I found this answer
https://www.ejabberd.im/node/10686/index.html
My question now is if that answer is still valid, is anything changed about this point since 2013?
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[15:00:15] <Licaon_Kter> MR: any limit in the docs?
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[15:00:43] <Licaon_Kter> MR: wrong link?
[15:01:04] <Licaon_Kter> That one talks about members numbers, not MUC numbers
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[15:01:20] <MR> Bot, just read the full question
[15:01:40] <MR> And what's the maximum number of MUC rooms can be created in ejabberd server?
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[15:02:02] <MR> *Both
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[15:03:19] <Licaon_Kter> Dunno about MUC limit, but members read https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2770
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[15:05:35] <MR> I don't understand what do you mean by "Dunno", I'm not a native English speaker and google translate didn't help me, so I don't under stand is that "Yes" or "No"
[15:06:09] <Licaon_Kter> "Don't know"
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[15:06:29] <MR> OK, thanks
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[15:20:42] <Kris> why would there be a limit? at least a few throusands
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[15:31:35] <MR> Here is an example
If we're building a book discussion application, where each member can select one other member to discuss one book, we're thinking to make each one of that discussions a MUC room, where the room ID will be "member one ID"+"Member tow ID"+"Book ID", so if I have a few hundreds of users and book I may have a thousand of MUC rooms, but if I had a thousand of users and a thousand of books to discuss -which is expected/planed- I should expect huge number of MUC rooms, don't I?
That's why I have to ask if there is any limit of the number of rooms, or I'll be limited only by my ejabberd cluster resources
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[15:33:29] <MR> Here is an example
If we're building a book discussion application, where each member can select one other member to discuss one book, we're thinking to make each one of that discussions a MUC room, where the room ID will be "member one ID"+"Member two ID"+"Book ID", so if I have a few hundreds of users and book I may have a thousand of MUC rooms, but if I had a thousand of users and a thousand of books to discuss -which is expected/planed- I should expect huge number of MUC rooms, don't I?
That's why I have to ask if there is any limit of the number of rooms, or I'll be limited only by my ejabberd cluster resources
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[15:35:17] <Kris> if rooms are only created on demand and are not persistent then there will not be that many rooms simultaneously
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[15:36:35] <MR> No, the rooms must be persistent, the users should be able to back to that discussions anytime even after years
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[15:37:27] <Kris> you proably want a forum and not a chat app
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[15:38:41] <Kris> https://joinbookwyrm.com/
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[15:42:48] <MR> We are looking for IM behaves to be more engagement, that's why we need chat solution not forum or commenting one
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[15:51:00] <MR> There is one of my colleagues suggests to use members "Aliases", where instead of creating new MUC room for each discussion we just create a new alias for each member, then each one will discuss with that the other partner alias dedicated for this discussion using his own alias dedicated for this discussion, And that is how we can separate each book discussion from another for each two members
But I don't know if XMPP/ejabberd supports 'aliases' or not, and if he is, how to use it?
[15:51:36] <Kris> aliases like in email are not supported
[15:52:23] <Kris> and xmpp is not really set up very well to persist chats for years. I guess it is possible, but it wasn't developed for that
[15:53:16] <MR> So we should set a time limit for old MUC rooms to save
[15:53:28] <Kris> maybe use email and deltachat?
[15:54:46] <MR> But that will not give them the IM behave, and we need this
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[16:02:34] <Kris> deltachat is a IM based on email
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[16:03:12] <Kris> https://delta.chat/
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[16:07:12] <MR>   I'll check it, but I don't think it provides things like that "Typing..." indicator, or presence status which make you feel that you are talking to that person live not by old fashion mail service
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[17:09:49] <benk> It has presence since the last update
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[17:10:26] <benk> Typing no but read receipts have been in it since forever
[17:12:52] <benk> But yeah what you're describing might be good for a traditional forum, making list, nntp, or Lemmy type thing. If it really must be chat then perhaps something like Matrix since you want persistence and unlimited rooms
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[17:14:00] <Licaon_Kter> benk: this can be set on xmpp too, with the same downsides lol
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[17:14:26] <benk> ☝🏻
[17:14:44] <benk> *mailing list
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[17:15:37] <benk> How about a collaboratively written emacs org document. Sync it with git
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[17:16:59] <benk> Otherwise I'm out of ideas. Chat programs that support threading might be nifty
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