Process-one
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ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
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[05:44:30] <Mx2> With the nginx http upload, the file gets uploaded through the listener port or 443?
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[06:06:46] <Licaon_Kter> Mx2: that's up to your setup...
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[06:31:04] <Mx2> i have set up http listener to 5444, with the config i posted yesterdy, but somehow gets via 443, but removing the listener makes it not work..
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[06:40:12] <Licaon_Kter> Mx2: post your cleaned config in a gist or pastebin
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[06:44:30] <Mx2> yes, i will do after i finish some experiments with changes on stream timeout...
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[07:17:35] <chunk> Maybe somebody would be willing to discuss a ejabberd configuration, or perhaps helping me understand how it would work
[07:18:19] <chunk> A fellow mentioned that say a main prosody server can use a pubsub services from an exterior and different server type like ejabberd.
[07:19:20] <chunk> I'm not sure how to go about that.  I wonder how the prosody config would work.  Probably omit the mod_pubsub components under the virtualhost area and get it to send via dns?
[07:19:42] <chunk> would pubsub use port 5269 ONLY?  (i think it would)
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[07:35:25] <Licaon_Kter> chunk: 5269 is for server-to-server
What's the usecase?
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[07:37:27] <chunk> to use movim with the ACL advantages of ejabberd's mod_pubsub but use the more stable and familiar prosody ..  if this config type was legit and not crazy hard or problematic then I would be happy as ever to have my mod_http_upload_external working properluy
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[07:38:25] <chunk> alternatively in my absence from messing with ejabberd, I've envisioned (thanks for your document help ^^) a couple more things I might've omitted or mistaken (naively) in the mod_http_upload config in ejabberd
[07:39:09] <chunk> 50:50 but I leaning towards the mixed ejabberd prosody because of the cool factor.  wanting to abstain from the ejabberd all the way because of it's unfriendliness towards me so far,
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[07:41:41] <chunk> Licaon_Kter yea my question about the ports seemed stupid after i entered it.  obvious c2s client to server, is not in the same routing as pubsub is.
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[07:42:17] <chunk> But I wondered if there'd be some complications I may not know of, in perhaps how xml stanzas are sent across two server service types
[07:42:37] <chunk> or is the xmpp 'protocol' all that happens there, the networking stuff is peripheral completely?
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[07:44:09] <chunk> what if a mod_s2s err0r happens on prosody headed to a ejabberd pubsub node will it get pretzeled, crippled, have a concussion?  Is there any sub standards to the traffic running those mediums?  or is it safe to say it's just XMPP protocol transmission?
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[07:44:28] <chunk> that's my biggest question, props and respect to who knows that for sure
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[08:37:43] <chunk> Licaon_Kter do i talk too much?  
[08:37:58] <chunk> i been afk all day lmfao im makin up for it lmbo
[08:38:47] <chunk> DOES THE BYTESTREAM OF PORT 5269 TRAFFIC USE ONLY PROTOCOL STANDARD XMPP TRAFFIC OR IS THERE ANYTHING INCLUDED VIA THE SERVER
[08:38:51] <chunk> there, in one line
[08:39:11] <chunk> and whatever, im not gonna change, so be cranky
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[08:53:42] <Mx2> https://pastebin.com/f8sCxbdi
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[08:54:25] <Mx2> Licaon: https://pastebin.com/f8sCxbdi
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[08:57:27] <chunk> Mx2 EXPLAIN YOURSELF
[08:57:44] <chunk> ARE YOU RESPONDING TO ME WITH A DEFAULT CONFIG
[08:58:05] <chunk> IF YOU THINK I AM THAT STUPID I'LL FCUKIN SHOW YOU SOME SHIT
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[08:58:37] <chunk> lmfao, bbl ima go do crime
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[09:11:24] <Mx2> Licaon_Kter: The remainder of nginx
https://pastebin.com/GaPA2RGS
[09:11:51] <Mx2> > chunk‎
Excuse me, please?
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[09:34:27] <Licaon_Kter> chunk: if you mix servers like this you're on your own. Both prosody and ejabberd should have the same stuff, if not go in the prosody channel and complain, but don't mix.
Also, _can you show us on the doll where ejabberd touched you?_
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[10:20:55] <Mx2> Licaon_Kter: So with the provided config, i get uploads via nginx (i hope from logs) and port 443. Thar listener on 5444 is imho not used?
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[12:00:51] <kapad> if an upload managed by an external process, have that could be affect the xmpp stream/connection ?
- if upload takes too long, could lead client close the connection or loose the 'get_url' response that logically the server must return
- in case of nginx/upload.pm, how much nginx will wait for perl to finish ? is this configurable ? and if timeout what response the client will get ?
[12:02:03] kapad ^ i hope my q's make sense, and not because of thing i have misunderstand
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[12:15:29] <Licaon_Kter> kapad: you can test yourself, big file, kill ngink
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[12:15:31] <Licaon_Kter> kapad: you can test yourself, big file, kill nginx
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[12:18:45] <kapad> ^ what does it means in client 'terms' ?
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[12:18:53] <kapad> i wonder while looking `mx2`'s config ...
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[12:22:20] <Licaon_Kter> kapad: dunno, they'll error out as/when they see fit, do test some clients :))
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[12:54:33] <Holger> kapad: The client is obviously free to behave whater way it sees fit, but it wouldn't make sense to me to close the XMPP connection just because the HTTP connection fails.  Not aware of clients that behave that way.
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[12:57:07] <Holger> kapad: As for Nginx, I'd guess those things are controlled by options such as `client_body_timeout` and `client_header_timeout`: http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_core_module.html#client_body_timeout
[12:57:39] <Holger> Not sure there's a timeout for (Perl) module handlers.
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[13:03:27] <syscall_> i guess not. perl is very c alike in syscalls
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[13:15:27] <Holger> Sure but you can easily/accidentily create code that blocks forever in C or Perl or whatever, and I'm not sure Nginx tries to cope with such module code.  Anyway I guess the question was about network timeouts anyway.
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[13:22:07] <chunk> > Also, _can you show us on the doll where ejabberd touched you?_j
Right where at one minute I had a reasonably functional reverseproxy http upload working then ten minutes later it's broken so damn bad that I've even reverted it back to the damn bloody default config
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[13:22:39] <chunk> and it absolutely will not work, including mysteriously will no way spawn a listener for the port I originally asked for
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[13:23:33] <chunk> the single one thing that occured that even i did that even touched it's port, for when it broke, is run an nmap -Pn command over the whole port range of my server
[13:24:27] <chunk> luckily I was able to know those details as I usually have nothing to go on with such type of events, except it helps nothing as the mod_http_upload is 100% hooped
[13:24:31] <chunk> I'm offended, very
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[13:25:18] <Kris> is there an example of the external auth py script that also populates a shared roster?
[13:26:24] <Kris> I would like to do something like this, but with some shared roster based on contacts in Akkoma: https://docs.akkoma.dev/stable/configuration/howto_ejabberd/
[13:26:39] <Kris> (Akkoma is a Pleroma fork)
[13:28:50] <Kris> I guess it would need extra logic to query the Akkoma API tough :-/ this seems to try basic http auth only on closer inspection of the code
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[13:38:40] <Mx2> does that perl module enforce somehow https or its enough set nginx for plain port 80?
[13:40:03] <Holger> The module isn't involved with the actual connection and doesn't enforce HTTPS.
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[13:49:20] <Mx2> Thanks, i patched gajim to bypass https enforcing, use nginx to serve port 80 but somehow upload not work...
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[13:53:50] <Licaon_Kter> Don't break the protocol...c'mon
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[13:57:25] <lonelyglow> Mx2: Did you ever get mod_fileserver working? I couldn't, I dumb😞🤣
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[13:58:01] <Licaon_Kter> lonelyglow: why?
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[13:59:11] <lonelyglow> I don't know... I tried to follow the gist you posted yesterday but somehow what I added made my server not able to connect anymore, I had to remove the lines to get it working again
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[14:00:10] <lonelyglow> It's a user error I'm sure, not what you posted
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[14:01:55] <Mx2> Im not breaking, i need see traffic
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[14:07:01] <Holger> Well strictly speaking XEP-0363 does insist on TLS these days, but yes it should work without.
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[14:19:28] <Licaon_Kter> lonelyglow: .log said what?
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[14:23:27] <Mx2> i not use mod fileserver, i wanted offload all file handling to nginx
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[14:39:02] <lonelyglow> So I need to add the converse.js folders and stuff too right? Just for simple file sharing?
[14:40:29] <Licaon_Kter> lonelyglow: nonono, there's a lot of info there :) you just read the uploads part :))
[14:40:33] <lonelyglow> » [08:19:28] <Licaon_Kter> lonelyglow: .log said what?
I'll post it here when I try again if it still doesnt work,  I just deleted the lines last night to get the messaging back up because it was late at night. But i'm trying again today
[14:40:46] <Licaon_Kter> Converse.js is even included in latest ejabberds
[14:41:01] <Licaon_Kter> lonelyglow: the log is still there...scroll up?
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[14:41:51] <Licaon_Kter> Here's a more recent gist with my config: https://gist.github.com/2a7c8f3e08ba8c78e9736eaa0c2dc305
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[14:42:32] <Licaon_Kter> External converse.js, external uploads via nginx, stun/turn, (older) jitsimeet
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[15:21:16] <lonelyglow> https://pastebin.com/ZY2gqpFG
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[15:22:21] <Mx2> Could use of ldap vcards be used to get fields, (eventually modify them ) amd put into servers vCard table? Also regarding the vcard/pubsub mappings (ad github ), could a stored procedure in DB be triggered by node change? I want avoid erl wjen doing those mapping manually.
That gajim upload bug is not reproducible with more activity on servee...
[15:24:24] <Licaon_Kter> Mx2: you can put stuff yes, afaik, but who'll read it? Psi only?
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[15:25:03] <Mx2> Psi, old gajim, perhaps more clients im testing
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[15:26:45] <Licaon_Kter> Xabber... yeah, all the glory of 2014 or so
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[15:28:18] <Mx2> And..? Have some functions i miss in new ones. Btw with websockets how limit it only to my hosted webclients?
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[15:30:06] <Licaon_Kter> Dunno
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[15:31:10] <prefiks> websocket have CORS headers, so therouretically you could access it from any page
[15:31:20] <prefiks> only not all of them allow you to pass url
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[16:14:18] <Kris> Licaon_Kter xabber-web seems to be undergoing a complete re-write right now. there is a branch on the repo with lots of activity
[16:14:46] <Mx2> Most of old clients imho lack omemo
[16:14:48] <Licaon_Kter> Kris: xabber is doing a rewrite since I'm around the community, yeah, what's new?
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[16:15:20] <Kris> hmm, the rewrite of xabber-web seems to have only started a few months ago
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[16:19:26] <Licaon_Kter> Kris: wait, it's a re-write of what exactly? When was the "first write" released?
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[16:20:03] <Kris> ? the xabber-web that has been available for years?
[16:20:37] <Kris> https://github.com/redsolution/xabber-web
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[16:20:56] <Licaon_Kter> Link to it being deployed by admins?
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[16:21:25] <Kris> there is a develop and a redesign branch on the same repo
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[16:23:13] <Licaon_Kter> Imagine I'm banging my head on Converse and https://github.com/nioc/xmpp-web for years but I only heard info on xabber-web in HN threads where Andrew was claiming it's the second coming... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[16:26:49] <Kris> tbh I never tried running it as xabber stuff is a bit sus, but it does look interesting as a web-client
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[16:27:35] <Kris> this looks nice too btw: https://github.com/sedenion/xows
[16:27:47] <Kris> it works, but is a bit too basic still
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[16:30:24] <Licaon_Kter> Feels like they all wanna do a new web client not fix existing ones and make them usable. I have literally >100 issues on Converse repo ffs
[16:31:14] <Kris> conversejs does have a lot of technical debt. I can understand why people want to start from scratch
[16:32:10] <Mx2> Are they any alternatives?
[16:32:46] <Kris> all of them except JSXC were mentioned just minutes ago
[16:32:53] <Licaon_Kter> All web clients have technical debt if 6 months pass and they did not switch to the JS framework du jour, c'mon...
[16:33:19] <Licaon_Kter> That one has calls too, right? Group calls? Deployed nowhere...
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[16:33:40] <Kris> it is available as a Nextcloud plugin that works ok
[16:33:55] <Kris> the group calls was never released I think
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[16:34:06] <Mx2> a good webclient would solve lot of issues. I tried converse but wasn't satisfied,  so thinking about jscx
[16:34:42] <Kris> Movim is probably the best web-client for now
[16:34:58] <Mx2> Yes, group calls..need they support from side of ejabberd?
[16:35:17] <Kris> STUN/TURN like all webrtc calls
[16:35:55] <Kris> JSXC needs a lot of work on the MUC support. it is IMHO only usable for 1:1 chats
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[16:36:02] <Mx2> Using andoclient plus jitsi is bit inconvenient so hopefully c3..?
[16:36:11] <Kris> the 1:1 calls in JSXC work fine though
[16:36:32] <Mx2> I had hopes in jsxc...
[16:36:52] <Kris> you can pick it up and develop further ;)
[16:37:40] <Mx2> but none saves omemo keys on server imho. Unfortunately im not a dev, just user
[16:38:07] <Kris> savinf OMEMO keys on the server would defeat the purpose of OMEMO
[16:38:34] <Mx2> Encrypted in a container, decrypted locally?
[16:38:54] <Kris> still a bad idea
[16:39:36] <Mx2> How otherwise solve persistence around devices. Its a compromise
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[16:40:15] <Licaon_Kter> Mx2: wat? Keep key on device...like Converse does (browser storage)
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[16:40:47] <Mx2> But that's bound.on one browser
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[16:41:01] <Mx2> And prime to deletion..
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[16:41:17] <Kris> Mx2 just use TLS and a trusted server. weakening OMEMO like that is not worth it.
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[16:42:10] <Licaon_Kter> Mx2: do you delete app data randomly?!
[16:42:42] <Licaon_Kter> Mx2: of course one browser, you said "device"
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[16:44:57] <Mx2> can happen..
and with more devices(browsers), i like the idea. Of server stored key...has not be on the same server but i think a encrypted container emulating local storage is not bad. As omemo if not used for strictly security, at least guarantee integrity of message
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[16:46:11] <Mx2> But that is point of a user, pragmatic,  not a dev
[16:46:12] <Kris> maybe look into Ox
[16:46:28] <Kris> JSXC also still supports OTR
[16:46:41] <Mx2> Found no implementation ox so far
[16:47:00] <Kris> Conversations has it no? its called pgp there
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[16:47:41] <Mx2> Openpgp?
[16:47:50] <Kris> yeah same
[16:48:14] <Kris> never tried it though, might be outdated
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[16:51:12] <Mx2> That's why i thought about that xml private storage. From a non idealistical point of view i don't see extreme weakening of omemo which is widely used. If i had the knowledge i would try implement it. Would be basically independent on clients used..
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[16:52:18] <Kris> the point is that a weakend OMEMO is hardly better than TLS. I don't know why people keep forgetting that TLS is encryption too
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[16:52:48] <Kris> only on centralized services weak e2ee makes a real difference
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[17:04:20] <savagepeanut> What are your thoughts on web clients and omemo in general? E2ee is less useful if you have to trust the server serving the js imo
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[17:12:33] <Licaon_Kter> savagepeanut: you can use a local app that serves the JS, eg. Converse Tauri or Converse Desktop
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[17:13:50] <Licaon_Kter> savagepeanut: but we're going offtopic already
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[17:14:18] <savagepeanut> > savagepeanut: you can use a local app that serves the JS, eg. Converse Tauri or Converse Desktop
That's true! I'm glad those are an option
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