Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Monday, January 9, 2023< ^ >
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[11:09:46] <MattJ> Holger, Prosody barely has the concept of a global admin (but it's something we're changing). Nevertheless, knowing if someone is a domain admin would be enough for my use case.
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[11:13:47] <Zash> Prosody since recently includes  `<identity category='account' type='admin'/>`  for admins in their account disco#info
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[11:24:14] <MattJ> Ultimately the goal is something like the domain verification stuff you sometimes have to do for hosted services. Either "add this TXT record" or "add this <meta> tag to your HTML" or "host this text file at this path". I'm basically just wondering aloud if there's a cross-server XMPPish way to do this.
[11:24:53] <Holger> MattJ: I meant "global admin" as opposed to "per-module privileges".  There's no "domain admins" either.  There's just stuff like `mod_muc` allowing for listing JIDs with privs such as being owners of all rooms, and stuff like that.  Closest is maybe `mod_configure` allowing JIDs to perform admin-y ad-hoc commands.
[11:25:10] <MattJ> Oh, interesting
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[11:25:24] <Zash> Being listed in XEP-0157 is another thing
[11:25:32] <Zash> Being listed in XEP-0157 Contact Addresses is another thing
[11:25:51] <Holger> Yeah the latter is just manual `mod_disco` config over here.
[11:25:54] <MattJ> Yeah, I think XEP-0157 is the most promising approach so far. The main downside is that some people (e.g. private servers) may not want contact info there.
[11:26:20] <Holger> And personally I usually put email addresses in there.
[11:27:03] <Holger> Mainly because "proper alias support", plus an OOB channel seems sensible to me anyway.
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[11:28:39] <MattJ> Reading between the lines, are you saying ejabberd lets you set arbitrary disco#info in the config file?
[11:28:45] <Holger> (I mean for a production service with multiple admins I publish <mailto:support@example.com> rather than <xmpp:holger@example.com>.)
[11:28:48] <Holger> MattJ: Yeah.
[11:29:11] <MattJ> Oh well, that works then. "Put this special string in your disco#info"
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[11:29:25] <Zash> Arbitrary disco#info things, or xep-0157?
[11:30:22] <Holger> Well at least arbitrary mailto: and xmpp: addresses.  Probably not arbitrary strings, but from the top of my head I dunno about how those are validated.
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[11:30:32] <ZHOSKA> Hello. Such a question, previously, to access ejabberd from the console, I wrote from any directory "ejabberdctl *command*", after reinstalling, I always have to write "/pass/to/ejabberdctl *command*". Can you tell me how to return the old configuration?
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[11:33:18] <ZHOSKA> apt install
[11:33:55] <MattJ> What path is ejabberdctl at?
[11:34:06] <ZHOSKA> /usr/sbin/ejabberdctl
[11:34:28] <Licaon_Kter> And your PATH does not have it?
[11:34:37] <MattJ> On many systems that will only be in the path of the root user, so it should work if you are logged in as root or you use 'sudo ejabberdctl'
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[11:35:39] <ZHOSKA> when I write ejabberdctl, it shows me some kind of error, when I write /usr/sbin/ejabberdctl, then there are no errors
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[11:35:47] <Licaon_Kter> ZHOSKA: isn't ejabberd (beam.smp) running as user `ejabberd` anyway?
[11:35:58] <Zash> what's the output of `which ejabberdctl` ?
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[11:36:26] <Licaon_Kter> If so, you should always run as `sudo -u ejabberd ejabberdctl` of course. Maybe set an alias for that and carry on...
[11:37:06] <ZHOSKA> which ejabberdctl dont results
[11:37:52] <ZHOSKA> WARNING: It is not recommended to run ejabberd as root
{"init terminating in do_boot",{undef,[{ejabberd_ctl,start,[],[]},{init,start_em,1,[]},{init,do_boot,3,[]}]}}
init terminating in do_boot ({undef,[{ejabberd_ctl,start,[],[]},{init,start_em,1,[]},{init,do_boot,3,[]}]})
[11:38:05] <Licaon_Kter> `sudo -u ejabberd which ejabberdctl`
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[11:38:44] <ZHOSKA> result: /usr/sbin/ejabberdctl
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[11:39:23] <ZHOSKA> pass to file
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[11:40:55] <Licaon_Kter> ZHOSKA: great, so...read above what I said about sudo and alias
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[11:41:21] <Licaon_Kter> > pass to file
it's `paTH` fyi
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[11:42:27] <ZHOSKA> sorry
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[19:33:33] <ZHOSKA> Question. There are public chats on the ejabberd server. SQL increases in size from the flood of participants. There is no desire to prohibit active communication. Is it possible to set up auto-deletion of old conference messages from the database?
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[19:44:26] <Licaon_Kter> ZHOSKA: https://docs.ejabberd.im
you use 3 commands to clean up with ejabberdctl:
`ejabberdctl --no-timeout delete_old_mam_messages all XX`
then
`ejabberdctl delete_old_messages XX`
(Where XX is days)
then
`ejabberdctl delete_expired_messages`
And the newer _batch versions
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[19:44:53] <Licaon_Kter> ... and remember to VACUUM your DB
[19:47:41] <ZHOSKA> and deleting old mam messages doesn't delete them immediately from the database? or what did you mean by vacuuming? Another question: will the exchange of messages in conferences with omemo break down from such a purge?
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[19:50:07] <Licaon_Kter> ZHOSKA: your sql db will vacuum I guess, depends on settings, up to you. Just mentioned it so you know that your DB might not get smaller right away.
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[19:52:27] <ZHOSKA> and about chats with omemo? Will they break by accident? there is also an exchange of keys and their evolution takes place
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[19:52:45] <Licaon_Kter> ZHOSKA: also be sure to update your ToS to mention the period you keep history, eg. 90 days or whatever. Then you can put those 3 commands in cron for daily clean up
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[19:53:32] <Licaon_Kter> ZHOSKA: the keys are in PEP nodes, but if you delete messages too fast they'll....lose messages they did not download :))
[19:53:37] <ZHOSKA> what is ToS?
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[19:55:04] <ZHOSKA> oh, well, I was worried about the integrity of encryption in chats and so that users would not then receive "the message is not intended for this device"
[19:55:24] <Licaon_Kter> Terms of Services_
[19:55:28] <Licaon_Kter> _Terms of Services_
[19:55:43] <Licaon_Kter> If there's no message...there's no error lol
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[19:56:19] <ZHOSKA> oh, well
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[19:57:16] <ZHOSKA> thank you Licaon_Kter. You always answer me
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[20:19:15] <ZHOSKA> I tried to execute the command /usr/sbin/ejabberdctl --no-timeout delete_old_mam_messages all 5 and observing the size of the database did not notice that it decreased, although I configured MariaDB according to the manuals
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[20:48:00] <Licaon_Kter> ZHOSKA: 5 days? How many messages did you have between  day 6-start of server?
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[20:52:20] <ZHOSKA> You specified XX as days. I realized that these days are counted from the current date and everything older than the resulting date is deleted. I had a uniform load and I would have noticed changes at least by a small fraction
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[21:00:02] <Licaon_Kter> Mmmkay
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