Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, January 12, 2023< ^ >
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[08:05:22] <spicewiesel> since yesterday me and one contact get a `cryptography.exceptions.InvalidTag`everytime we switch to the conversations's tab. It's just this tab und just with this contact (same on her side). Both on v1.6.0 - I did not see an (old) issue about that. Could this be about one message in our chat history? anyone an idea or should I just create a new one? Thanks!
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[08:06:24] <Licaon_Kter> spicewiesel: what is 1.6.0?
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[08:07:04] <spicewiesel> Gajim's version
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[08:13:36] <Licaon_Kter> spicewiesel: what is "conversations's tab" ?
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[08:14:30] <spicewiesel> the tab we chat in
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[08:25:32] <Licaon_Kter> Why do you think it's a "server" issue?
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[08:30:43] <spicewiesel> I do not
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[08:31:31] <spicewiesel> I just use the wrong window here... thanks for poking *g*
[08:31:37] <spicewiesel> I just used the wrong window/muc here... thanks for poking *g*
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[11:21:01] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> nodedown when I try to control ejabberd using ejabberdctl (as shipped by FreeBSD), but the server is running fine, in the foreground, under svscan (which is probably not the desired model?).
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[11:26:22] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> alternative failure mode: file operation error: eacces.
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[11:35:10] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> wow, this is amazing. it shows nodedown even though the node is objectively up. software is so obtuse. 0/10. prosody is easier to control but not multithreaded, 2/10.
[11:35:23] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> I am considering switching to M-Link.
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[11:36:50] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> ah, bootup fail is due to mnesia
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[11:54:36] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> and when I boot up the endorsed way, it still shows down
contents of my inetrc are thus, since you'll ask:
```
{lookup,["file","native"]}.
{host,{127,0,0,1}, ["localhost","hostalias"]}.
{host,{45,76,244,95}, ["invictus.wa.us.umbrellix.net"]}.
{file, resolv, "/etc/resolv.conf"}.
```
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[12:01:38] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> sorry about all that, i'm kinda angry rn if you can understand
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[12:04:24] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> I've had a jabber server for so long and I wanna give up.
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[12:05:08] <Licaon_Kter> Something samething not linux meh
[12:05:12] <Licaon_Kter> Something something not linux meh
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[12:06:40] <Holger> Ellenor Bjornsd., one idea would be to try to stop/kill everything and then run `ejabberdctl live`.  If there's an actual problem during start up, you should see it on the console.
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[12:07:05] <Holger> Otherwise it's "just" the communication between `ejabberdctl` and the running ejabberd node.  We can look into that, then.
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[12:07:24] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> > Holger wrote:
> Ellenor Bjornsd., one idea would be to try to stop/kill everything and then run `ejabberdctl live`.  If there's an actual problem during start up, you should see it on the console.
there's no actual problem on startup if i keep the node name as ejabberd@invictus.wa.us.umbrellix.net; I just cannot then run, inter alia, ejabberdctl reload_cofig
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[12:08:54] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> > Licaon_Kter wrote:
> Something something not linux meh
I will reserve my comment about this comment because it is extremely violent.
[12:08:56] <Holger> Ah.  Such a node name is prone to precisely such problems, our default is `ejabberd@localhost`, which should really only be changed for setting up a _cluster_.  But maybe the FreeBSD packager changed that?
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[12:09:37] <Holger> Ellenor Bjornsd., heh, I don't think there's any significant Linuxisms in ejabberd actually.
[12:09:57] <Licaon_Kter> Ellenor Bjornsd.:
> I've had a jabber server for so long and I wanna give up.
When you put equal sign between your experience and ejabberd for the rest, not sure what answer you think you can get.
It's okay that you have issues? No... but... alas
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[12:10:06] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> > Holger wrote:
> Ah.  Such a node name is prone to precisely such problems, our default is `ejabberd@localhost`, which should really only be changed for setting up a _cluster_.  But maybe the FreeBSD packager changed that?
I have changed it locally because I was setting up a cluster, which fell through.
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[12:10:14] <Holger> Ellenor Bjornsd., ah ok.
[12:10:40] <Holger> Yeah changing the node name requires changing it within Mnesia as well.  Or just ditching the Mnesia files _if_ you use SQL for everything.
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[12:11:21] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> I use SQL for anything permanent afaik, but I thought that a bit of Mnesia was still necessary there?
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[12:13:18] <Ellenor Bjornsd.> by at least 7 restarts, my issue has been rendered moot (I was adding a defederation to my config)
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[12:13:22] <Holger> Yes it's still necessary for runtime state.  And even in the case where you don't use it for persistent storage, the DB schema is stored persistently, and that includes the node name.  But if SQL is used for persistent data, the fix is easy: (0) configure the new node name in `ejabberdctl.cfg` (guess you did that already), (1) stop ejabberd, (2) `mv /path/to/mnesia/stuff/* /backup`, (3) start ejabberd.
[12:14:23] <Holger> Is the `/path/to/mnesia/stuff` known?
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[12:15:31] <Holger> Otherwise `ps` should show it on the `beam.smp` command line, there should be an `-mnesia dir /path/to/stuff` argument.
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[12:20:05] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> I'll get back to this when I'm no longer feeling like an insurrectionist.
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[12:24:39] <Licaon_Kter> I for one appreciate the experience reports Ellenor Bjornsdottir ;)
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[12:25:00] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> What, of utter infuriation? Diabolical,
[12:25:05] <Ellenor Bjornsdottir> What, of utter infuriation? Diabolical.
[12:25:42] <Licaon_Kter> No, of stuff misbehaving and their eventual fixes...
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[15:28:46] <marko.cupac> > nodedown when I try to control ejabberd using ejabberdctl (as shipped by FreeBSD), but the server is running fine, in the foreground, under svscan (which is probably not the desired model?).
Had similar problem, solved it by running ejabberdctl as ejabberd user.
[15:30:13] <marko.cupac> If you have sudo installed and your account is authorized to run any command, something like `sudo -u ejabberd ejabberdctl [whatever]'
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[15:35:42] <Licaon_Kter> marko.cupac: there's no sudo on FreeBSD, right? doas or whatever?
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[15:37:58] <TheCoffeMaker> Licaon_Kter: AFAIK BSD has sudo
[15:38:20] <TheCoffeMaker> Licaon_Kter: AFAIK *BSD has sudo
[15:38:48] <marko.cupac> Not in the base since a long time but one can install it from packages (pkg add sudo). Doas is fairly recent OpenBSD replacement), it is included in OpenBSD base, also can be installed on FreeBSD (pkg add doas). I use sudo on Free, doas on Open, haven't tested doas on Free.
[15:39:39] <TheCoffeMaker> Can confirm with TrueNAS core
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[17:48:17] <mhmtkrmn> Hi
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[17:50:38] kapad // The certificate for process-one.net expired on 1/4/2023.
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[17:51:18] kapad // https://process-one.net/logs/ ....
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[17:54:20] <Licaon_Kter> mhmtkrmn: Hi there.
What brings you to this corner of the community?
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[17:59:01] <mhmtkrmn> Hello I want to learn English it can be practical for me
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[18:45:29] <marko.cupac> https://www.cambridgeenglish.org/exams-and-tests/qualifications/
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[21:15:26] <ZHOSKA> hi. I want to run 2 ejabberd on the same server to work in different networks. Copied /usr/sbin/ejabberdctl to /usr/sbin/ejabberdctl2, then copied the directory to /etc/ejabberd2/* after that, created the file /lib/systemd/system/ejabberd2, but this construction does not start. What should I add or change so that 2 ejabberd can work on the same server?
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[21:17:23] <ZHOSKA> if you directly run /usr/sbin/ejabberdctl2, it will write an error that ejabberd@localhost is already running. In addition, I assume that there will be an error from which directory the files will be taken.yml. How do I get around all this?
[21:18:05] <Zash> I very much doubt copying the binaries like that is the way to go
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[21:19:03] <ZHOSKA> Then what do you think would be the right thing to do?
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[21:21:42] <ZHOSKA> I thought maybe there are some flags to run by a certain user and with a certain config file
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[21:22:23] <Zash> I would have looked for some way to specify a different config file, if a whole separate process is really what you actually want
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[22:01:47] <ZHOSKA> I'm going to compile. The default directories and their location are written. How to change?
[22:02:08] <ZHOSKA> written on site
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[22:38:57] <ZHOSKA> If i start /usr/sbin/ejabberdctl with flag --config /etc/ejabberd2/ejabberd.yml maybe on server starting ejabberd with ejabberd2?
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