Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Friday, July 28, 2023< ^ >
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Room Configuration
Room Occupants

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[00:00:59] meson leaves the room
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[01:15:38] tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг leaves the room: Disconnected: closed
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[03:05:07] tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг leaves the room: Disconnected: closed
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[08:23:48] <Licaon_Kter> I've made a separate user that connects to the local Biboumi bridge, but on every reconnect (eg, disconnect account, wait, reconnect) it won't reconnect unless I manually intervene
`<0.17920.0>@ejabberd_c2s:process_terminated/2:295 (tls|<0.17920.0>) Closing c2s session for effingirc@mydomain/Conversations.ABCD: Stream closed by local host: Too many unacked stanzas (policy-violation)`
wat?
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[08:26:11] <Holger> The good old problem is you being flooded by presence stanzas and the client failing to acknowledge them in time.
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[08:26:33] <Holger> You could bump `mod_stream_mgmt`'s `max_ack_queue` or what it was called.
[08:26:53] <Holger> Or just join smaller IRC channels!
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[08:39:47] <Licaon_Kter> One is smaller, one is bridged to 4k matrix ghosts :(
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[08:56:18] <Licaon_Kter> It was 5000 as default, bumped to 10000, disconnected.... reconnected... so far so good
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[10:54:57] <manis> > please forgive this non technical share, but since people inside here develop communication environments, and care about the fate of `their` stanzas, also cause is good to spread, ..., ... anyway: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/07/uk-government-very-close-eroding-encryption-worldwide | The U.K. Government Is Very Close To Eroding Encryption Worldwide
Maybe I'm ignorant, but how would this affect people outside the UK? The good thing about XMPP is that the network itself is federated (ignoring WhatsApp & co.), so the British govt cannot force XMPP server admins to make their servers compliant with their law. E2EE is also purely client side, so I cannot even influence what my users do. If my XMPP server configuration is illegal over there, so be it, I couldn't care less.
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[10:58:32] <Licaon_Kter> manis: EU? Chat Control
US? Whatevere the f is that called
Russia/Iran/NK/China? GTFO faster
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[11:18:40] <manis> Licaon_Kter, I don't know of CH implementing something like this, but ofc there is no bad idea which CH wouldn't want to implement.
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[11:19:12] <manis> I'm not saying I like these proposals but what do you want to do about it?
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[11:19:39] <manis> I believe that into the future if you want anonymous/secure communication there won't be a way around everybody running their own server.
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[11:20:59] <manis> I'm honestly tired of having to fight stupid regulatory ideas every f***ing year only for them to arrive in one form or another anyway.
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[12:07:29] <☭Mike Yellow> Have you ever meet such a situation?:
Your Ejabberd MUC room set to members-only, some days after that, someone No-affiliation is showed in occupant list.
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[12:11:37] <☭Mike Yellow> https://suchat.org:5443/upload/72100d426ee0a341f79cb126f62c325d03f117fb/Q9zSKK67x0iKi2l6kwhpbcIzg5K8HwvtDsttXEum/a41115c4-b341-43dd-a10c-9eb933ad6a9c.png
[12:11:39] <☭Mike Yellow> That is scary.
[12:12:27] <eevvoor> the server admin?
[12:12:44] <☭Mike Yellow> They is displayed on Gajim, Psi, Dino, but not on Conversations or Monocles Chat.
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[12:13:07] <☭Mike Yellow> eevvoor, no. Not same provider/server.
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[12:14:30] <☭Mike Yellow> They is just a conservative.
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[12:15:17] <☭Mike Yellow> https://suchat.org:5443/upload/72100d426ee0a341f79cb126f62c325d03f117fb/77RxiVocuMB5nB2gFHTXmWPVlmpwZRWqLJfcnIfM/4508d138-5515-45c1-bc8a-aaa2de8f9ee7_a2d6896e146dc9c071185320c3d89a06c2c5d57e.png
[12:15:17] <☭Mike Yellow> https://suchat.org:5443/upload/72100d426ee0a341f79cb126f62c325d03f117fb/UwQaPbmzjRuxJN4u2SOuQW9223UqmJo54AUngsF2/b0c0693d-6e79-4b8e-8551-b7030797fec9_b623d07a819baf5fba6fe8da3c9d99f0b53f7e0d.png
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[12:18:05] <Licaon_Kter> ☭Mike Yellow: are members allowed to invite others?
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[12:18:49] <☭Mike Yellow> > ☭Mike Yellow: are members allowed to invite others?
No. They are not allowed.
[12:19:47] <☭Mike Yellow> Should not the invitation grant the membership in the meanwhile?
[12:20:00] <eevvoor> Bad hackers not considering Gajim :D :D
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[12:23:58] <Licaon_Kter> ☭Mike Yellow:
> Should not the invitation grant the membership in the meanwhile?
Yes, just trying all the angles...
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[12:24:58] <Licaon_Kter> Is the room name easily guessable or advertised? Can you test with a test account somewhere else to join it?
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[12:25:32] <☭Mike Yellow> I could not reproduce it.
[12:26:14] <☭Mike Yellow> This room was popular before, but we are going to give it up as my organization planned.
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[13:38:36] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> What language is conversations app?  I have android studio
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[13:40:41] <Holger> tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг, try to find the repository, look at the code, guess the language?
[13:40:58] <moparisthebest> It's Java, but probably should move this convo to the conversations muc
[13:41:11] <Holger> Or nowhere 😀️
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[14:05:01] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> moparisthebest: hey guess what
[14:05:29] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> I am eating a delicious cucumber sandwich
[14:05:35] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> be jealous
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[14:06:14] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> moparisthebest: between you and i who do u think would make the best sandwich?
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[17:20:10] <kapad> manis: ( + who else ) ...
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[17:22:09] <kapad> 1/3 communication is a at least 2 member process. what if i have an 'http' server, there is no way to connect in my side through 'https'. Or what if my state forbid encrypted storage. In general network is a whole and if a part broke in a way, everything broke.
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[17:25:01] <kapad> 2/3 of course is not UK, all of them are together in this. RU is already have most of this rules. In (my) reality most of this that the west do now, are taught by them. Not forget US/RU govern the world together some decades before, with just a `wall` between them. A wall of course can block ideas and practices good or bad
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[17:29:23] <kapad> 3/3 Yes everyone have its own server, or another way is use anonymized tunnels, sounds cool but. 1st that is not for all. 2nd *maybe* it could lead to a trap. For example i run my own email, that's cool, but how easy for them is just *all* the isp block my mail-ports especially base on rules about pornography ? It very easy, just one click. Or again tor, maybe anonymous, but is already mapped, for example cant even google-serach through there. so again block it is just one click in a firewall set up.
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[17:35:32] <kapad> ... `tired of having to fight stupid regulatory ideas every f***ing year`
^ that's a common practice in real life also, target exact to `tired`. I meet almost every time i have to deal with `state` things. trying the obvious  is like talking to aliens. it's a practice. Seems even if humans have a tension to standardize things, 'living' is not one of this. Finally 'living' is not a race, but a way of ...
[17:35:51] kapad so seems we have to live, till will die ... xaxax
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[17:37:40] <kapad> | A wall of course *can't* block ...
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[18:23:34] <kapad> going off topic i know, but, one more thing about not encrypted envs is like this: some time ago said that imo emails is going to become `proofs/evidence` in a court. then a guy said in uk this is already happen. So while technically an email is just a text document in a storage, there is absolute noway to authenticate it ( any authentication, can reconstructed and injected back in your storage/mailbox), that rise a new fact. A court/legal evidence/proof would be what a private entity say without any way to prove it and any way to fight it back if the legal system accept it. That is scary, right ?
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[19:20:22] <manis> kapad, I'm not against what you're saying, but I'm just tired of the whole topic. "Digitisation" as it's called by the general public can do what it wants now, I'm simply not going to take part in it. Of course everything can be blocked, always, on the IP level. But what am I supposed to be doing against it? The most I can do is select an ISP which does not block.
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[19:22:33] <manis> kapad, as far as e-mails being accepted in courts, well it doesn't shock me, tbh. Of course e-mails are easily fakeable, but so are letters and they have been accepted in courts for a long time.
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[19:23:30] <manis> Regarding anti-encryption or surveillance laws: the general public simply cannot be bothered (this seems to hold true all around the globe) and sometimes even votes in favour of them.
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[19:24:16] <manis> So what do you want to do: start a new petition every month against their new braindead ideas?
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[19:25:02] <manis> Sure, sometimes they are successful, but the surveillance state has patience. It'll simply come up with the next version of the same thing one or two years later.
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[20:13:38] <Licaon_Kter> Can you move this to Offtopic?
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[21:32:00] <kapad> Licaon_Kter: yes.
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[21:32:10] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> where
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[21:34:11] kapad i was metaphoric ... :)
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[21:38:43] <kapad> tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг: maybe there offtopic@xchat.ua3.anondns.net
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[21:39:19] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> or maybe xmpp:the-subnet@chat.toofast.vip?join
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[21:39:32] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> i know there's topicless
[21:39:49] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> buncha nerds in ur chat kapad ?
[21:39:56] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> same me?
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[21:40:48] <kapad> ok let's try who likes, and leave space and room here more xmpp and ejabberd realated things.
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[21:42:45] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> how can i combine ejabberd and prosody together, any ideas?
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[21:43:18] <tɧε8шσσɖɕนttεг> my idea was only use ejabberd in an lxc container for pubsub for hosting movim again
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[21:44:17] <kapad> maybe with some components and some hooks ... ?
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[22:14:36] <kapad> in some rooms sending pm in other participant is allowed, in some other not. Is a way, ie something in `service discovery` that you can figure out this ?
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[22:16:49] <kapad> ^ for example fot this room i get: ( muc_open, muc_persistent, muc_public, muc_semianonymous, muc_unmoderated, muc_unsecured, urn:xmpp:mam:0, urn:xmpp:mam:1, urn:xmpp:mam:2, urn:xmpp:mam:tmp, urn:xmpp:sid:0, vcard-temp ), is/exist something related ?
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