Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Friday, September 8, 2023< ^ >
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Room Configuration
Room Occupants

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[00:00:24] Dale Haswell joins the room
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[00:02:44] catchy leaves the room
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[00:12:16] Dale Haswell leaves the room
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[00:18:27] St0ne leaves the room
[00:18:27] henrik leaves the room
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[00:20:40] Dale Haswell leaves the room
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[00:27:09] Kris leaves the room
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[00:29:31] king leaves the room
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[00:56:07] Kayden joins the room
[01:02:55] Logan leaves the room
[01:04:54] alan joins the room
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[01:05:46] barlas leaves the room
[01:05:58] Dale Haswell leaves the room
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[01:11:30] barlas joins the room
[01:13:53] lissine leaves the room
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[01:18:50] Dale Haswell joins the room
[01:18:51] abedlhalim joins the room
[01:18:52] putut leaves the room
[01:19:35] Dale Haswell joins the room
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[01:22:09] barlas leaves the room
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[01:39:18] barlas leaves the room
[01:40:54] Thomas Lewis joins the room
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[01:50:02] alan leaves the room
[01:50:32] Dale Haswell leaves the room
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[01:58:30] Dale Haswell joins the room
[02:00:34] marzzzello leaves the room
[02:01:03] donk leaves the room
[02:01:44] Dale Haswell joins the room
[02:02:23] donk joins the room
[02:03:05] Ramiro Romani leaves the room
[02:03:11] abedlhalim leaves the room
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[02:13:40] Dale Haswell leaves the room
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[02:23:37] Julian leaves the room
[02:24:14] alan leaves the room
[02:25:59] Dale Haswell leaves the room
[02:26:48] hlad joins the room
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[02:35:36] Dale Haswell joins the room
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[02:57:35] Dale Haswell leaves the room
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[03:27:03] moparisthebest leaves the room: Disconnected: Replaced by new connection
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[04:00:23] moparisthebest leaves the room: Disconnected: Replaced by new connection
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[04:01:33] lucas joins the room
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[04:12:44] hammock-backer leaves the room: Disconnected: Replaced by new connection
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[04:14:19] christian joins the room
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[05:55:25] catchy leaves the room: Disconnected: Received SIGTERM
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[12:45:51] <Manis> Licaon_Kter: using WhatsApp is indeed practical, because then they manage the ejabberd 🤪
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[12:57:10] <Licaon_Kter> It's funny because it's trie
[12:57:13] <Licaon_Kter> It's funny because it's true
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[15:48:33] <☭Mike Yellow> A scary question comes into my mind:
Will Ejabberd remove the function XEP-0016 (Privacy Lists)?
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[15:51:05] <☭Mike Yellow> A scary question comes into my mind:
Will Ejabberd remove the function XEP-0016 (Privacy Lists) like Prosody did?
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[16:12:00] <Holger> There's no such plans I guess.
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[16:12:53] <Holger> ejabberd's XEP-0191 code (which is supposed to be a simpler alternative to XEP-0016) is based on the XEP-0016 code.
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[16:21:46] <☭Mike Yellow> > There's no such plans I guess.
Excellent!!!
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[16:29:44] <Zash> What is your interest in / use case for XEP-0016?
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[16:44:24] <☭Mike Yellow> Obviously, that is a key value to determine whether XMPP will be become popular in the future.
It is an “advanced black list”, in other words, white list.
It can achieve a function like “mod_block_strangers”, but determined by users, not server hosters.
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[16:45:17] <☭Mike Yellow> More users, more spammers. Users need a function to block messages from strangers.
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[16:46:16] <☭Mike Yellow> It can block messages from strangers without blocking contact requests.
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[16:47:12] <☭Mike Yellow> It can also block both, especially for famous users that many want to bother.
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[16:48:30] <☭Mike Yellow> > It can block messages from strangers without blocking contact requests.
Just like why room owners need “make room moderated”, right?
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[16:49:48] <☭Mike Yellow> If XEP-0016 is planned to be removed, then we will not stay on XMPP platform for long.
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[16:52:30] <☭Mike Yellow> If there is no XEP-0016, then XMPP suits only for anonymous people, but not non-anonymous people who want to speak and act in a real identity. Right?
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[16:53:14] <☭Mike Yellow> Is not it the original intention of XEP-0016?
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[16:57:55] <☭Mike Yellow> We tell newcomers not to use Prosody just because it does not support XEP-0016. It is annoying when facing spammers.
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[16:59:04] <☭Mike Yellow> We tell newcomers not to use Prosody, a reason is it does not support XEP-0016. It is annoying when facing spammers.
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[17:05:25] <☭Mike Yellow> More questions? Or do you need more reasons to be spoken?
[17:07:23] <Zash> Mostly curious.
[17:08:14] <☭Mike Yellow> Emmm... Please comment on what I said. Is that meaningful?
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[17:09:36] <Zash> Some of those points were raised when XEP-0016 was deprecated. The general feeling was that simpler XEPs would be introduced to cover those, if demand was there.
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[17:10:28] <☭Mike Yellow> So there is no a simpler white list function for now?
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[17:11:10] <Zash> Not that I am aware of
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[17:13:27] <☭Mike Yellow> Another reason. Conversations will accept requests of joining a room without confirmation by users. I do not want newcomers invited by us be invited into some unhealthy rooms. XEP-0016 helps.
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[17:17:10] <☭Mike Yellow> I feel like there are conservative thoughts on XMPP platforms… Which make XMPP's popularity increases slow.
Q: Why there is no a comprehensive XMPP user tutorial?
A: Nobody reads.
Q: Why XEP-0016 is deprecated or why there is no a simple white list function?
A: No demand.
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[17:18:48] <Zash> Nobody has submitted a XEP for that at least.
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[17:19:36] <☭Mike Yellow> So, to achieve white list function, XEP-0016 is still needed.
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[17:20:16] <☭Mike Yellow> But when seeing Gajim and Prosody removed that feature, I see a dark future of XMPP.
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[17:26:48] <Holger> Not sure the future of XMPP depends on 0016, but I do agree that this can be useful functionality and that deprecating something in favor of a replacement _before_ the replacement exists sounds like the wrong order.
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[17:29:03] <☭Mike Yellow> Yes.
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[17:59:37] <zoidberg> > Not sure the future of XMPP depends on 0016, but I do agree that this can be useful functionality and that deprecating something in favor of a replacement _before_ the replacement exists sounds like the wrong order.
Well said.
[18:00:19] <☭Mike Yellow> Before we know XEP-0016, when we found that it is possible to directly voice/video call a stranger, we nearly gave up XMPP.
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[18:01:32] <☭Mike Yellow> That is scary, is not it?
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[18:02:41] <Holger> I believe you, it's just that I didn't hear this stance before, so I'm not convinced the future of the entire community depends on 0016 :-)
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[18:03:06] <Holger> And I think the proper solution for spam issues is server-side, and to be fair Prosody is way ahead of ejabberd in that regard.
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[18:03:59] <Holger> Whatever, as I said I agree with your actual point.
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[18:04:09] <☭Mike Yellow> (^_^)
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[18:04:19] <Holger> (And brought it up myself back when 0016 was deprecated.)
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[18:06:33] <☭Mike Yellow> Well... We use XMPP for political things, so we have human spammers more than bot spammers, so we still choose Ejabberd.
:)
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[18:40:28] <Holger> Where's Servant gone BTW?
[18:40:36] <Holger> Did *I* run it? :D
[18:41:39] <Holger> Or magicbroccoli?  (Is he gone as well?)
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[20:39:32] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: is this the magic that will fix iOS?
[20:39:36] <Licaon_Kter> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/2782430887fdf5975e93d9bf94ee16c217859ce8
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