Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Tuesday, November 21, 2023< ^ >
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[04:20:56] <Hudson Kisitu> I have check out these billing platforms https://astppbilling.org/, https://wiki.magnusbilling.org/en/source/index.html, https://ov500.openvoips.org/, https://www.pyfreebilling.com/ , https://www.pyfreebilling.com/  has anyone integrated ejabberd with these billing platform and its possible to record audio and video in ejabberd
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[06:27:37] <Daniel> Licaon_Kter: yes it's a sasl2 thing. Although I would encourage server developers to not make the server part so long
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[06:49:02] <Licaon_Kter> Hudson Kisitu: ejabberd does not see the real audio/video stream via TURN, as that is encrypted. Any recording should be done client side.
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[07:57:32] <raver> Licaon_Kter: I'll try again, are there any PostgreSQL changes I could have missed?
Fyi: I recently added SCRAM-SHA-1-PLUS as Auth encryption, and out seems involved according to the error
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[08:52:58] <max> hey guys any ideas how I can fix these errors  https://pastebin.com/8RMV9D9P I think they are related to mnesia-postgres migration, but I'm not sure. I can resetup ejabberd from scratch but what I should do to not face these errors again?
[08:54:41] <Daniel> prefiks, when I try to resume a session using SASL2 inline I get a <resumed h="..."/> as a child of <success/> (that's expected); however after the </success/> I then get `<failed xmlns="urn:xmpp:sm:3"><not-authorized xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas"/><text xml:lang="en" xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-stanzas">Unauthorized</text></failed>` two times
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[08:54:48] <prefiks> possibly issuing GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON DATABASE ejabberd TO ejabberd; in pg shell will help?
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[08:56:06] <prefiks> Daniel: will need to check, could you tell which commit you are using?
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[08:58:17] <Daniel> Teach mod_carboncopy how to interact with bind2 inline requests
[08:58:31] <prefiks> maybe i broke disabling bind2 after resume in recent commit?
[08:58:40] <prefiks> thanks, will check
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[09:00:37] <prefiks> will need to add tests for that stuff
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[09:07:51] <Daniel> despite what the commit says enabling carbons via bind 2 doesn’t seem to work btw
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[09:09:04] <Daniel> I'm including <enable xmlns="urn:xmpp:carbons:2"/> in the authenticate->bind element but the success->bound has no <enabled/>
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[09:58:19] <prefiks> Daniel: per spec that is what should happen i think
[09:58:28] <prefiks> was strange for me too
[09:59:00] <prefiks> If the client included a XEP-0280 <enable/> element in the requested features, Message Carbons MUST be enabled at this point. As this operation MUST succeed, no response is necessary.
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[09:59:12] <prefiks> hm, so we probably could add response
[09:59:36] <prefiks> will probaby add that then
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[10:00:42] <Daniel> We should check with the authors probably
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[10:19:09] <prefiks> Daniel: is there easy way to trigger attempt to stream resume in emulator? I can externally close tcp socket, but it takes some time for conversation to do another attempt at connection
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[10:20:50] <prefiks> but i managed to reproduce that issue you reported, just looking for easier way to do that for fix iteration
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[10:24:25] <Daniel> prefiks: unfortunately not that I know of. Emulator seems to ignore airplane mode. I always test these things on physical devices
[10:24:43] <prefiks> ok
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[10:46:03] <Licaon_Kter> I could swear beam.smp is ballooning memory as time passes :(
How can I list what internal thing takes so much in debug mode?
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[10:46:40] <badlop> maybe "ejabberdctl etop" ?
[10:46:48] <prefiks> could be issue with that latest changes, that's pretty new and not tested that much, maybe i have bug somewhere
[10:47:13] <Licaon_Kter> Running .22 aka HEAD, forgot about `etop`, let me try
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[10:50:01] <Licaon_Kter> Can anyone take a quick look at this output?
[10:50:03] <Licaon_Kter> https://defuse.ca/b/GmI15gzL32nCjaqQvuywEl
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[10:54:55] <badlop> no substantial memory or reductions consumption, right? maybe because etop srots by reductions instead of memory
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[10:55:42] <badlop> btw, this text tool can sort by memory, reductions, message queue...
  https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/ejabberd_observer_cli
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[11:00:16] <badlop> basic usage:
# Install:
ejabberdctl modules_update_specs
ejabberdctl module_install ejabberd_observer_cli
# Start:
ejabberdctl debug
ejabberd_observer_cli:start().
# Enter its home page, and sort by memory:
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[11:05:36] <prefiks> you may also try p1_prof:m().
[11:05:51] <raver> Licaon_Kter: .22 looks good here regarding authentication
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[11:40:44] <Licaon_Kter> badlop, prefiks: https://defuse.ca/b/3XFS0nItUF5c4uqyAOkFkZ
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[11:41:33] <prefiks> yes, something not ok with that
[11:41:51] <prefiks> maybe related to those stream resume problems reported by Daniel
[11:42:01] <Licaon_Kter> K
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[11:42:21] <prefiks> those c2s processes shouldn't take that much memory
[11:42:35] <prefiks> maybe we don't flush messages properly or something
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[11:43:31] <Licaon_Kter> It went from 4xxMb (system wide) to >570Mb
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[11:43:44] <raver> ... But the check for c2s via starttls at connect.xmpp.net fails with .22 Is this expected? With .12 the test is successful
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[11:45:13] <raver> > ... But the check for c2s via starttls at connect.xmpp.net fails with .22 Is this expected? With .12 the test is successful
... And now when I try to switch back to .12 I see an error In conversations/cheogram saying sasl mechanism degraded
[11:45:15] <prefiks> raver: do you get any errors from server when that happens? It should be working, at least it worked for me
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[11:49:58] <Licaon_Kter> oh, stuff is unstable 🙁 `[info] <0.1066.0>@ejabberd_c2s:process_terminated/2:298 (unknown) Closing c2s session for user@domain: Stream closed by local host: Too many unacked stanzas (policy-violation)`
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[11:50:18] <prefiks> yes, probably related to that resume bug
[11:50:30] <prefiks> working on fix for it
[11:51:00] <Licaon_Kter> And got worse https://defuse.ca/b/JB1igehiApECzQTJdvgh19
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[11:51:16] <Licaon_Kter> One CPU core is 100% all the time..e
[11:51:21] <Licaon_Kter> One CPU core is 100% all the time...
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[11:53:20] <Licaon_Kter> raver: connect.xmpp.net fails c2s starttls for me too, but not s2s starttls, yet fails directtls for s2s, but not c2s directtls
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[11:58:05] <Licaon_Kter> Then again raver I don't have open registration, so not sure what info it can't pull
[11:58:18] <Licaon_Kter> Nor offer dialback for s2s
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[12:06:16] <Licaon_Kter> badlop: modules? Meh https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/issues/313
Do updates to `ejabberdctl.cfg` need a restart or a reload?
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[12:22:05] <raver> > Then again raver I don't have open registration, so not sure what info it can't pull
Me neither
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[12:23:21] <raver> > raver: do you get any errors from server when that happens? It should be working, at least it worked for me
No, only a log about new c2s connection, I don't have debug log enabled
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[12:36:29] <raver> hmm, movim connects fine after reverting back to .12, could be because I have never connected to the .22 via movim?
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[12:39:03] <raver> indeed, deleting the Account in Conversations and Re-creating solves the Connection issue after reverting back from .22 to .12
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[12:39:23] <prefiks> what issue about downgraded auth or something?
[12:39:29] <raver> yes
[12:39:42] <prefiks> i think you can also clear that flag if you enter account setting, i think there is button for that
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[12:40:43] <Licaon_Kter> raver: in Conversations, account, see red text, enter account, press lower right "Accept"
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[12:44:11] <raver> thx, so I guess I have to do it with all clients from my family right?
[12:44:12] <Licaon_Kter> Another thing prefiks looks like my users get a new resource at every login? With a long session timeout (as Monal devs recommend) I've got users that appear "connected" from 15 clients....as 15 resources :(
[12:44:26] <Licaon_Kter> Kinda :(
[12:44:34] <prefiks> i just fixed that
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[12:45:07] <prefiks> and found reason for that resume problem
[12:45:17] <prefiks> will push updated version in a bit
[12:45:40] <raver> great, so I'll test forward fixing first :)
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[12:45:56] <raver> will there be a new installer in the "Actions" from github too?
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[12:46:41] <prefiks> i think it's generated automatically, so should be there if it builds correctly
[12:46:57] <raver> thx prefiks :)
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[12:52:49] <Licaon_Kter> > will push updated version in a bit
Great, because memory will fill and it will start using swap in about an hour lol
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[13:01:50] <prefiks> Licaon_Kter: repo updated
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[13:03:56] <Licaon_Kter> Wonder if I've got memory to rebuild ejabberd lol
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[13:06:32] <red curry> hi there - I am admin of a small ejabberd server and have a problem: an account on an other server cannot set / reset online visibility to an account on my server. This feature generally works on both servers. Clients on both ends: conversations.im + dino on on end. I think something went wrong during initial conversation setup? Any Ideas what might be the problem / how to debug this?
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[13:06:45] <red curry> hi there - I am admin of a small ejabberd server and have a problem: an account on an other server cannot set / reset online visibility to an account on my server. This feature generally works on both servers. Clients on both ends: conversations.im + dino on one end. I think something went wrong during initial conversation setup? Any Ideas what might be the problem / how to debug this?
[13:07:27] <Licaon_Kter> red curry: Conversations (the client name lol) has a "publish presence" setting, is that ON?
[13:08:16] <Licaon_Kter> Also Dynamic Tags should be ON too
With these, your contacts (they are added as contacts yes?) will see yours and you theirs
[13:08:17] <red curry> as far as I can rememberit is not available for this conversation
[13:08:26] <Licaon_Kter> "This" ???
[13:08:36] <Licaon_Kter> 2.13.0 is the latest, update...
[13:09:06] <red curry> generally it works - but not for this specific conversation
[13:10:18] <Licaon_Kter> It's a client setting for that "specific" client, toggle them ON, then look again :)
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[13:13:35] <red curry> sorry - I was wrong: it is turned on in conversations on the other end but this has not effect. On my end the status is not visible. And also: it is impossible to start a audio/video-call
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[13:14:29] <red curry> (Audio/Video works with other contacts)
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[13:15:37] <Licaon_Kter> red curry: so you both use latest 2.13.0 Conversations
You also enabled both Publish presence and Dynamic Tags
You both have added each other as contacts (open contact details, both presence boxes are checked?)
And your server has STUN/TURN setup?
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[13:17:25] <red curry> yes - latest version
stun/turn server works
compliance tester: 100%
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[13:23:02] <Licaon_Kter> Restarted prefiks, will keep an eye on it...
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[13:54:04] <Holger> prefiks, doesn't "close other sessions with same tag" imply that I can no longer open multiple sessions using the same client software?
[13:54:37] <prefiks> I guess that's the idea behind this
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[13:55:05] <Holger> Bind2 says I shouldn't use Conversations on the tablet + phone? 🙂
[13:55:47] <Holger> (Dunno the proper fix, just looking at the code for the first time and wondering.  But this does seem wrong?)
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[13:57:09] <prefiks> Hm, maybe indeed we should do something different, this is what it says Upon successful binding of a resource, the server SHOULD terminate any earlier sessions from the same client (identified by the <user-agent> 'id' attribute in its SASL2 authentication request).
[13:57:24] <prefiks> so i should check user agent id
[13:57:42] <prefiks> was sure it was talking about tag somehwere...
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[13:58:34] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: tablets are dead on Android you boomer, also there's no iOS on iPads lol
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[13:59:23] <prefiks> oh well, i will change that to use that user-agetn id
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[13:59:52] <Holger> prefiks, sorry didn't want to keep you busy 😀️  (Thanks!)
[14:00:16] <prefiks> no, it's was good that i checked this, was sure it was talking about tags
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[14:01:28] <Holger> Licaon_Kter, there's a Pixel tablet now, Apple is paralyzed with fear!
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[14:50:17] <giovanni> Hi people, we are studying a way to implement OpenPGP in our chat client. As I understood, I need a keyserver to distribute the public keys of the users. Is there a way to do it using Ejabberd or I need to lean on an external keyserver?
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[14:52:59] <Holger> giovanni, XEP-0373 and -0374 specify a way to publish keys to contacts using PEP.
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[14:56:48] <giovanni> Holger I was watching XEP 0027. Is that obsolete?
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[14:57:06] <giovanni> (thank you for your answer BTW 🙂 )
[14:57:46] <Holger> giovanni, it's still in use by some clients (including Conversations) but the new XEPs have several advantages.
[14:58:11] <Holger> giovanni, 0027 clients typically left key publishing to the user (or PGP software).
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[14:59:52] <giovanni> Ok, understood. I'll take a look on both XEP, thank you
[14:59:53] <Holger> So as a direct answer to your question: No, ejabberd doesn't have a traditional PGP keyserver built-in 🙂
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[16:01:03] <giovanni> I gave a look to both XEPs, I think I understood the publish and the encryption process. I have some doubt about encryption in MUCs. Is there a XEP for that or we have to improvise something?
Some months (or years) ago I remember we talked about sending a private muc key encryped N times with N public keys of the participants of the muc, but I don't know if this is the standard or only a walkaround
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[16:04:44] <Daniel> giovanni: depending on what exactly you want to achieve it would be fairly straight forward to make the group chats non anonymous and retrieve the public keys (via pep) from each participant
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[16:05:10] <Daniel> And PGP already handles multiple recipients just fine
[16:05:49] <Daniel> For a reasonable amount of multiple participants I guess
[16:06:01] <giovanni> Daniel of course, but in this case I need to encrypt the entire payload N times
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[16:06:57] <Daniel> I'm fairly sure PGP already has symmetric messages keys
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[16:08:38] <giovanni> now I lost you 😃
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[16:09:31] <Daniel> You are not encrypting 'the entire payload N times'. You are encrypting and ephemeral symmetric key N times
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[16:11:06] <Daniel> There is obviously a number of participants where this starts to fall apart...
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[16:15:23] <giovanni> I struggling to imagine from what I have to generate this ephemeral symmetring key (and what is ts lifetime)--
(I am anything but an encryption expert, sorry)
Could you explain me a brief use case?
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[16:15:56] <Daniel> The symmetric key is per message.
[16:16:15] <Daniel> You don't generate that. Your PGP library does.
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[16:16:51] <Kris> Daniel: any plans to add Newmemo to Conv.?
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[16:17:16] <Daniel> A regular PGP message (in email too) to five recipients isn't 5x as big as a Pgp message to one recipient
[16:17:25] <Daniel> Kris: no
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[16:17:45] <Kris> Shame
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[16:18:11] <Kris> That is a pity
[16:18:32] <Daniel> (most public/private key crypto works like that btw)
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[16:19:06] <giovanni> So every MUC message is encrypted with an ephemeral symmetric key embedded to the message itself (encrypted with the pub keys of the participants), so every participant can use the symmetric key to decrypt the payload
[16:19:22] <Daniel> Yes
[16:19:28] <giovanni> I think I understood, thank you very much
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[16:19:43] <Daniel> Not just muc message. 1:1 too
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[16:20:35] <Daniel> Kris: the problem is that (in the Java ecosystem) we currently don't have a library for the underlying crypto stuff
[16:20:52] <Daniel> I'd be happy to write the xmpp bits on top of it
[16:21:05] <Daniel> But I'm not doing my own crypto stuff
[16:21:16] <Kris> I see. There is one for Dart
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[16:21:24] <giovanni> Daniel from what I learned moments ago about XEP 0373/0374 the encryption is directly with public and private keys without using ephemeral keys in that case
[16:21:41] <Daniel> Kris: sure. There is one for python too. But how is that helping?
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[16:24:32] <Kris> Not really, I agree
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[16:24:38] <Daniel> giovanni: where does it say that?
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[16:28:44] <Holger> giovanni, the mechanism Daniel described is just how PGP works internally, this isn't specific to XMPP at all so the topic isn't touched in those XEPs.
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[16:30:03] <Holger> giovanni, "first the object is encrypted using a symmetric encryption algorithm. [...] To protect the key, it is encrypted with the receiver's public key." -- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4880#section-2.1
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[16:31:34] <red curry> Sorry - it's me again with the same question:
Setup:
- accountA@serverX <-> accountB@serverY
- Both accounts use conversations.im (2.13.0-free)
  - [x] Send presence updates (on both clients)
  - [x] Ask for presence updates (on both clients)
  - [x] Dynamic Tags (on both clients)
- accountA (uses dino.im as well)
- serverX: ejabberd (23.01-1) 100% @ https://compliance.conversations.im
- serverY: ejabberd (23.01-1) 95% @ https://compliance.conversations.im (fails on XEP-0368: SRV records for XMPP over TLS)
Problem1: No status show for accountA
Problem2: Unable to start video/audio calls
Both problems do not occur here:
- accountC@serverX <-> accountB@serverY
- accountA@serverX <-> accountD@serverZ
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[16:32:37] <giovanni> Daniel Holger thank you both, I need to understand better how PGP works
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[16:36:02] <Holger> giovanni, understanding internals is never a bad thing of course, but as Daniel mentioned, as an app dev you'd usually just use some PGP library, feed it with the payload plus one or more public keys of your contact(s), and receive back the encrypted ciphertext.  I.e. you could implement XEP-0374 just fine without even being aware of PGP making use of symmetric keys.
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[16:50:36] <Licaon_Kter> red curry: my man, the client name is Conversations, what you see on your phone
conversations.im is just a server
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[16:53:00] <Licaon_Kter> Anyway, did you *also* enabled Publish whatever (3rd option in Settings) ?
Unable to start calls means what? No call icon? Icon present but calls fail?
If you control the servers, any info in .log ?
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[16:56:47] <red curry> yes - no call button
I have serverA. what do I have to look for? everything seems pretty normal
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[16:57:40] <Licaon_Kter> Try to toggle the presence icons on/off, not sure...
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[16:59:26] <red curry> > Try to toggle the presence icons on/off, not sure...
wow this fixed it. Thought I did this before. Thank a lot!
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[17:02:09] <Licaon_Kter> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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[22:52:14] <joeDoe> I'm moving my ejabberd setup from one machine to another. They have different IP's. I've got the new machine setup and want to test it before pointing dns to the new IP. I've modified the /etc/hosts file on my LAN's router/gateway to point to the new IP. I've sent a couple of messages back and forth between two accounts on the server. I've also closed and reopened an IRC-via-biboumi chat, and an XMPP MUC. I'm running sudo tail -F /var/log/ejabberd/ejabberd.log on both the old and new servers and I see absolutely nothing happening in the logs of either machine. I haven't seen the messages moving and I haven't seen the disconnects and reconnects to the 2 MUC's
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[22:52:32] <joeDoe> What do I need to do to get some log action happening?
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[22:54:03] <joeDoe> Or, perhaps more importantly, how can I tell whether the old or new server has been handling these last few actions?
[22:54:29] <joeDoe> according to dig, things are pointing to the new ip, but I see nothing there
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[23:22:10] <Licaon_Kter> Firewalls?
[23:22:25] <Licaon_Kter> netstat says LISTENING on ports?
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[23:26:50] <joeDoe> I figured this out. It was the old IP. I had to restart the client to get hooked up. Now it's the new IP
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[23:28:30] <joeDoe> Never thought of either of those. I'm not a professional sysadmin so I don't do this stuff often enough to remember good suggestion like checking the firewall and netstat. Thanks
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