Process-one
ejabberd
ejabberd@conference.process-one.net
Thursday, May 2, 2024< ^ >
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[00:21:59] <MarsIronPI> Does anybody here have experience with push notifications on iOS?
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[06:08:25] <Licaon_Kter> MarsIronPI: it's pain, but better use Monal
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[09:02:13] <MarsIronPI> Licaon_Kter, what kind of pain?
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[09:07:37] <Licaon_Kter> MarsIronPI: the simplest and most essential, their app is kept dead by Apple
[09:08:43] <MarsIronPI> how bad  is it?  Is it still usable?
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[09:11:51] <Licaon_Kter> MarsIronPI: if they open the app, for one brief moment, everything is bliss, for Siskin (and Snikket fork), once it's in the background... who knows? Usually they're gone offline, push works fine...as far as you can setup, I mean, Android clients from Play usually come back. But iOS ones? No...
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[09:13:27] <Licaon_Kter> Siskin (and Snikket) embraced the forced Apple way of "everything must depend on Apple servers push". And they work...sorry...they don't.
Tigase has some (proprietary?) components to push some extra pushes for groups or calls.
Prosody has too.
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[09:14:27] <Licaon_Kter> Monal acts more like an Android app without push, yes it has push too, but it tries to keep connections open for longer.
Experience varies, but imho, Monal is better, on all (up to date) servers.
[09:15:44] <Licaon_Kter> MarsIronPI: read and do: https://github.com/monal-im/Monal/wiki/Considerations-for-XMPP-server-admins
[09:16:03] <MarsIronPI> I checked Tigasee's "custom XEP" list and couldn't see anything other than what looks like QoL features
[09:16:55] <Licaon_Kter> Siskin devs talk for years about a rewrite, while their current client sits rather un-updated. On paper it's perfect already, in reality...
In reality, try no move your users to Monal, latest 6.3.0 was released the other day. ;)
[09:17:30] <Licaon_Kter> MarsIronPI: custom means "no one else has them so you must run Tigase with Tigase clients"? Lol nope
[09:17:44] <MarsIronPI> Yeah
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[15:45:08] <giovanni> Hi people, today I have a simple, xmpp related version. What happen if I want to chat with someone who ins't on my roster but I have his jid? What kind of info will I miss? (presence? "i'm typing?"? "public keys if encryption is enabled?)
[15:45:42] <giovanni> In other words, what implies to have a contact in my roster?
[15:46:14] <zoidberg> encryption still works i think
[15:47:13] <zoidberg> I think you are correct.
[15:47:43] <zoidberg> And no calls IIRC
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[15:48:26] <giovanni> calls? as in video/audio calls?
[15:48:32] <zoidberg> Yes
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[15:49:18] <giovanni> ok, only thing we could miss is "i'm typing", we don't use xmpp presence
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[15:49:35] <zoidberg> i think we can only make calls with people in our roster IIRC, and the rest as you said.
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[16:01:06] <Holger> PEP stuff such as avatars (depending on the PEP node config).
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