ejabberd - Monday, June 24, 2024

[13:48:27] <rossen> This means that is not possible to join in groups where invitation required?
[13:49:01] <Mickaël> Well, no, you cannot join rooms where encryption is required

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[14:18:40] <Licaon_Kter> Wait Mickaël didn't matrix encrypt all chats 1:1 and groups alike?

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[14:19:49] <Mickaël> Some Matrix admins disable encryption by default, because it was too much maintenance with users losing their keys when changing phone.

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[14:20:39] <Mickaël> But unless XMPP client dev and Matrix dev can agree on common part on the payload, it will not be possible to bridge encrypted conversation.

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[14:46:06] <Kris> I think the reverse is more interesting anyways: allowing matrix users to join MUCs, but there seems to be no way to address XMPP MUCs from the matrix side.

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[14:57:09] <Holger> Kris, if I should name one thing that's more attractive in the Matrix universe than in ours then it's public rooms. Matrix has all those team chat features that we're missing, and thousands of popular rooms. We have a few geek-only MUCs like this one. How's it more interesting to allow Matrix people to join them than vice-versa?

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[14:59:57] <Kris> I run a XMPP server with several public rooms, allowing Matrix users to join them would be nice. Otherwise I am not really interested in Matrix. Its mostly a ghost town anyways.

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[15:01:19] <Kris> (and for joining matrix rooms IMHO Slidge works better anyways)

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[15:02:53] <Kris> (and for joining matrix rooms IMHO Slidge works better)

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[15:14:08] <Holger> I see.

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[15:47:35] <Mickaël> What is better in Slidge ? What could be improved ?

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[16:04:12] <Kris> it supports encrypted rooms (although it gets decrypted at the server, so no real e2ee) and all the nice modern features like replies and emoji reactions etc.

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[16:08:02] <Mickaël> Ah yes, we could optionnally support encryption on the server, indeed.

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[16:08:41] <Mickaël> For replies, emoji, and reactions, with which client did you test it ?

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[16:09:47] <Kris> it works with Movim. have not tested it with Gajim's new reply and reactions feature, but I am near certain it will also work

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[16:10:40] <Kris> the Slidge dev likes to be bleeding edge on those XEPs 😅️

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[16:11:33] <Holger> Dino supports replies/reactions as well, for what it's worth.

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[16:12:12] <Mickaël> Thanks :)
[16:12:28] <Holger> https://jabber.fu-berlin.de/share/holger/DMRg1fdndhoZlx0V/2024-06-24T18_11_59_633612422_02_00.png

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[16:13:10] <Kris> I think breaking e2ee on the server is more acceptable for a personal gateway like Slidge that anyways requires you to put a lot of trust in the server admin as you need to store the login credentials there.

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[16:13:52] <Kris> in ejabberd as a general feature for all users it definitly needs to come with a big warning sign.

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[16:15:34] <Mickaël> yes, it should come with a room event on join stating that the communication is not end to end encrypted.

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[16:16:25] <Neustradamus> Mickaël: https://slidge.im/

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[17:08:10] <Licaon_Kter> Mickaël:
> users losing their keys when changing phone.
That's fud, everybody knows that users can just backup on the server...
(And sometimes the server admins can't decrypt your backups: https://element.io/blog/security-release-element-x-android-0-4-12-and-ios-1-6-7/)

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