ejabberd - Tuesday, September 3, 2024

[10:04:31] <zoidberg> so, a naive question to _anyone_ who might know, i was searching to know if STARTTLS or DirectTLS would be better, and the knowledge that i gathered from the searchs lead me to believe that DirectTLS is better. but on the Ejabberd docs on the other hand it says that STARTTLS is the preferable method. so i am kinda of confused.
[10:04:50] <zoidberg> This option specifies that traffic on the port will be encrypted using SSL immediately after connecting. This was the traditional encryption method in the early Jabber software, commonly on port 5223 for client-to-server communications. But this method is nowadays deprecated and not recommended. The preferable encryption method is STARTTLS on port 5222, as defined RFC 6120: XMPP Core, which can be enabled in ejabberd with the option starttls.
[10:05:21] <Hanketsu> in general, for network protocols, implicit tls is better
[10:06:00] <Hanketsu> i don't know (think?) there's anything that could set apart XMPP to avoid the common pitfalls of STARTTLS (explicit tls)

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[10:10:53] <Hanketsu> i don't know if / think there's anything that could set apart XMPP to avoid the common pitfalls of STARTTLS (explicit tls)

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[10:30:13] <Holger> zoidberg, that comment is a bit outdated. Back in the days, direct TLS was the way to go, then STARTTLS was the way to go, today direct TLS is the way to go. IT hypes come and go in waves.
[10:31:21] <Holger> zoidberg, technically, it doesn't matter much. At least _I_ am not aware of "common pitalls" that XMPP would be affected of. But direct TLS avoids a negotiation round trip, and has no downsides.
[10:31:46] <zoidberg> 😂, well. So i need to `tls : true` for s2s and then delete the s2s require STARTTLS?

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[10:32:20] <Holger> zoidberg, then again, you may want to offer STARTTLS as a fallback for old clients, and for the case where SRV lookups fail. Even more so for s2s, as not all servers support direct TLS.

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[10:40:36] <zoidberg> Yes, i think i gonna offer s2s in both ways(dont know yet how can i offer directTLS on the s2s on ejabberd) and client only allow DirectTLS.

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[10:42:53] <Holger> You can do that, yes. Just another `ejabberd_s2s_in` listener on a separate port with `tls: true`.

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[10:43:54] <zoidberg> Ahh, thanks
[10:44:14] <Holger> *Just specify
[10:44:41] <zoidberg> how is your vacation? Miss us already?
[10:44:46] <zoidberg> 😁

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[10:45:04] <Holger> Missed you so much that I returned back home.
[10:45:15] <Holger> After *just three weeks*.

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[10:45:47] <zoidberg> Already? , well welcome back!
[10:46:00] <zoidberg> Waiting for eturnal resolving DNS!
[10:46:05] <Holger> Thx :-)

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[11:52:28] <Licaon_Kter> Or just kick old clients, f them, get upgrading :))

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[12:09:31] <Holger> There's still that annoying "SRV lookups fail (due to crappy router or Tor)" case. Where clients would fall back to STARTTLS on $domain:5222, unless the user configured stuff manually.

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[16:00:06] <ashiscool> yo guys
[16:00:06] <ashiscool> idk why i joined here
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[16:23:28] <joeDoe> welcome to the Hotel California

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[18:38:45] <badmuff> > .
i really tried to decrypt your message - but the algorythm is quite to strong. :D

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