ejabberd - Wednesday, October 30, 2024

[01:12:47] <moparisthebest> > Meh, `[error] <0.687.0>@ejabberd_hooks:safe_apply/4:460 Hook s2s_out_unauthenticated_features crashed when running mod_s2s_bidi:s2s_out_unauthenticated_features/2:`
Licaon_Kter: yep other reports in prosody@ also, apparently ejabberd with bidi enabled can no longer talk to prosody with bidi enabled :'(

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[06:26:39] <Licaon_Kter> I see a fail to an ejabberd 23.4 hosted contact too

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[06:32:58] <Menel> Seems not enough people running a dev version of ejabberd if this happens in a release

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[06:37:12] <Licaon_Kter> Interop federated testing with other servers something...

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[06:37:40] <Licaon_Kter> Was added 1 day before release literally

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[06:39:53] <Menel> OK then a good example of Murphys law.

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[09:24:39] <zeank> After a server crash my node was unable to start due to a bug in mod_prometheus, I’ve created a PR: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/pull/340

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[09:27:27] <zeank> On that note: my server is quite unstable since the upgrade, random crashes here and there, about once a day. Since it’s erlang/beam crashing, there’s nothing in the logs. I’m not very familiar with systemd (using the official deb packace running on ubuntu). What’s the best way to debug this? Using journalctl is not of much help unless I’m using it wrong.

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[10:58:30] <Mitex Leo> How can I upgrade to the latest version (Linux Run Installer)? Do I need to run the installation process again?

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[11:01:50] <Holger> zeank: `journalctl -u ejabberd` and then search for the time around a crash.
[11:03:34] <Holger> zeank: A blind guess would be:
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4054
(TL;DR `systemctl edit ejabberd` and then set `WatchdogSec=0` in the [Service] section, IIRC.)

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[11:04:34] <Holger> Journalctl would tell you whether that guess is correct.
[11:05:21] <zeank> I have nothing like that in my logs, nothing at all, journalctl doesn’t show anything that isn’t also in ejabberd.log - it seems like my beam just crashes completely without any warning
[11:06:37] <Holger> Journalctl will at very least log the process restart.

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[11:08:04] <Holger> Assuming ejabberd was actually started by systemd and the process restarted (look at `ps-o cmd,start -C beam.smp` or something, I'm on my phone).

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[11:08:47] <Holger> > Journalctl will at very least log the process restart.
You could just show us a hand full of Journal log lines around the restart time.
[11:08:52] <zeank> It does log the restarts yes

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[11:09:12] <zeank> Unfortunately the last real crash is from two days ago and that’s not in my logs anymore
[11:09:18] <Holger> Just show all lines related to the restart, maybe +1 line before and after.
[11:09:19] <Holger> Ah.
[11:09:26] <Holger> Wait for the next then 🙂
[11:09:40] <zeank> But from what I recall all I saw was log entries about failed ssl connects before and after
[11:09:47] <Holger> Or maybe `systemctl status ejabberd` still has them but I'm not sure.
[11:09:52] <zeank> Yes, guess that’s all I can do for now

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[11:10:10] <Holger> > But from what I recall all I saw was log entries about failed ssl connects before and after
Those will be unrelated, but the details about the restart will be interesting.
[11:11:37] <zeank> Yeah, I’ll just wait for the next one - the problem with the last one was that it didn’t come up correctly anymore due the bug from above, and since I haven’t installed any alerting yet I didn’t notice for almost half a day cluttering my logs with thousands of restarts
[11:11:45] <Holger> The journal will tell you whether the process just existed successfully (with exit code 0) out of nothing (unlikely) or whether it existed with another code, or was killed with some signal (maybe by the kernel's OOM killer), or restarted by systemd e.g. due to that watchdog thing.
[11:12:10] <zeank> Yes, thanks, I’ll keep an eye open

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[11:12:49] <Holger> zeank: Nice to see you're still using XMPP BTW 🙂
[11:13:34] <Holger> I do remember your name from the old days, though I think you kinda left the party when I joined (ten years ago)? 😃

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[11:14:27] <zeank> Yeah, tbh, work wise I’ve been drawn to a lot of very different things and I didn’t really like that. Then I wasn’t so convinced anymore if XMPP is still worth the effort but now with Chat Control I see a very strong use case again :D - and I have free time since no job at the moment :) - it’s a lot of fun to be back and do something I’m actually passionate about

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[11:15:22] <zeank> I joined ESL 10 years ago, hoping to do a lot more XMPP but the opposite happened

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[11:16:38] <Holger> > it's a lot of fun to be back and do something I'm actually passionate about
👍

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[11:21:52] <zeank> Some other topic, I thought of bringing back some sort of account registration the way https://github.com/mathiasertl/django-xmpp-account worked, i.e. to allow or require an email address so people can restore their account in case of a lost password. First I thought of reviving linked project from above but I feel like that’s not what I want. Now I thought of extending `mod_register_web` to be able to handle that. Has something like this been discussed before? I’d like to share whatever I come up with, what would be the best way to do that? Fork ejabberd hoping to make it part of the official distribution or rather aim at `ejabberd-contrib`?

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[11:32:02] <Kris> There is a nice wordpress plugin that interacts with the ejabberd api that does this

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[11:32:37] <Kris> But support in mod_register_web would be nice

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[11:34:44] <zeank> Interesting, but not a big fan of WP, I’m quite happy I finally just got rid of it. Would prefer to have a standalone solution without external dependencies and much integration work (well, an email subsystem one way or the other, would still be required)

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[11:45:54] <debacle> zeank
Nice to see a Django based solution!
We (my company) have a "one Python file" (aiohttp, slixmpp) solution: https://codeberg.org/Ammonit/ammonit-live-dashboard/src/branch/main/accounts
However JIDs *must* be in the format `<xep-0106-escaped-email-address>@xmppdomain.example` for our usecase.

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[11:50:11] <debacle> Btw. congrats to the new ejabberd release! Nice fixes and new features!

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[11:56:03] <zeank> Nice approach, @debacle. Just had a quick look but if I read it right, it’s basically a server that keeps the tokens in memory, doesn’t store any email-addresses at all but rather reconfirms them every time an action is to be executed? … nice!

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[11:56:55] <debacle> zeank Yes, the web app does hold the state only for the short confirmation time. No db :-)

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[11:57:20] <zeank> Hm, but how do you know the email-address given is the right one associated with the account?
[11:57:47] <debacle> That's where XEP-0106 comes in: The state is hold in the JID ;-)
[11:58:05] <zeank> I see, need to read the xep

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[11:59:03] <debacle> E.g. if your email address were `zeank@guglmehl.com`, your JID at our service would be `zeank\40guglemehl.com@ourservice.com`. You were not free to choose a JID.
[11:59:44] <zeank> ah, ok … yeah … probably not what the majority of people want

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[12:00:03] <debacle> For our specific use case, that is pretty nice, but of course not for most people ;-)
[12:00:11] <zeank> gotcha
[12:00:22] <zeank> still, nice solution!
[12:00:30] <debacle> Thanks!

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[12:01:28] <debacle> Btw. should work with any XMPP server supporting admin adhoc commands (XEP-0133).

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[12:01:40] <debacle> We only tested ejabberd, though.
[12:01:46] <zeank> Yeah, I got that part

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[12:06:43] <Kris> If you are looking into these kind of things: an invite system like Prosody has would be really nice for ejabberd as well.

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[12:31:57] <Emru> is it possible to downgrade ejabberd 24.06 using PAM and psql to 23.10?

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[12:34:02] <Emru> or would it require some changes to DB schema?

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[13:11:11] <zeank> @Kris: good point, I can design things so it will be easy to add an invite capability later. I don’t know prosody, is there anything special about their invite functionality?

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[13:15:38] <Kris> https://blog.prosody.im/great-invitations/

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[13:22:54] <MattJ> zeank, https://docs.modernxmpp.org/client/invites/#protocols
[13:23:30] <zeank> ok, thanks!
[13:23:52] <MattJ> Nice to see you again by the way :)
[13:24:03] <Licaon_Kter> Emru: why?
[13:24:14] <zeank> 👋
[13:24:22] <Licaon_Kter> MattJ: any news on bidi? Or it's just badlops fault?

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[13:25:36] <MattJ> Licaon_Kter, no news, I saw vague reports that Prosody<->ejabberd bidi doesn't work? But that's about it.

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[13:25:55] <MattJ> Would have been nice to test interop before release :)

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[13:26:40] <MattJ> Especially as I assume it's enabled by default (it's not yet enabled by default in Prosody... I'm not keen on the whole thing)

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[13:29:10] <Emru> Licaon_Kter, I have some problems with 24.06 on FreeBSD, maintainer is unable, for now, to package it properly. Also I have to launch it via `ejabberdctl live` because for some reson it doesn't start normally. I want to use packaged version again, because I use `service` command in some cron scripts which restart ejabberd

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[13:29:37] <Daniel> Would this result in error responses with the text 'unsupported stanza type' on either side?

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[13:30:13] <Daniel> I saw someone on mastodon with that error and I've never seen this before

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[13:31:44] <MattJ> Yes

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[13:32:56] <Licaon_Kter> MattJ, Daniel: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4300

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[13:33:44] <Licaon_Kter> Eg. I can't join xmpp:monal@chat.yax.im?join
But no, it's not ON by default, yet it is in the example config :))
[13:33:46] <MattJ> Taking a quick look at some logs, it looks like ejabberd may be using the wrong namespace

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[13:34:31] <Daniel> Licaon_Kter: tbf that issue doesn't give away if a user would see 'unsupported stanza type' errors
[13:34:37] <savagepeanut> >ejabberd version: HEAD
Oh, not a release?
[13:34:38] <MattJ> The XEP ( https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0288.html#nego ) says to send `<bidi xmlns='urn:xmpp:bidi'/>` but I think it is sending (and expecting) `<bidi xmlns='urn:xmpp:features:bidi'/>`
[13:34:42] <Licaon_Kter> Emru: ah, take a look at
https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/upgrade/#specific-version-upgrade-notes if you need to reverse some sql stuff
[13:34:54] <Licaon_Kter> savagepeanut: HEAD is 24.10 today lol
[13:35:08] <savagepeanut> Ah :)
[13:35:10] <Licaon_Kter> I also put the commit hash, so you don't get confused ffs
[13:35:32] <Licaon_Kter> Daniel: umm, let me test...
[13:35:50] <savagepeanut> There goes my attempt at being an apologist
[13:36:10] <Daniel> I think MattJ already confirmed it

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[13:37:24] <Licaon_Kter> Oh, then carry on
[13:37:35] <MattJ> Added a comment to the issue stating as much

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[13:43:14] <Emru> I'll try today with 24.10, maybe it will work

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[21:43:36] <Kris> so the consensus is to not enable mod_bidi until the issue with Prosody servers is found?

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[21:47:52] <moparisthebest> Kris: it's already found but if you want to federate with prosody don't enable until the ejabberd module is fixed
[21:48:07] <Kris> ok

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[23:25:51] <rain> Just upgraded to 24.10, now i see in log a lot of messages like this - https://linuxoid.in/isida-paste/284992f62.txt - how to fix it?

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[23:45:04] <Kris> that's clearly related to the updated mod_priviledge

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