ejabberd - Thursday, November 14, 2024

[00:23:42] <Vahrein> Hello everyone, I read that you no longer need to use port 5349 to encrypt tls https://gist.github.com/iNPUTmice/a28c438d9bbf3f4a3d4c663ffaa224d9 calls, tell me is it really worth leaving only 3478 in this configuration?
```
  mod_stun_disco:
    credentials_lifetime: 12h
    services:
        -
          host: 1.1.1.1
          port: 3478
          type: stun
          transport: udp
          restricted: false
        -
          host: 1.1.1.1
          port: 3478
          type: turn
          transport: udp
          restricted: true
#Отключаем turns и stuns т.е. звонки по TCP
#        -
#          host: jabber.angelka.ru
#          port: 5349
#          type: stuns
#          transport: tcp
#          restricted: false
#        -
#          host: jabber.angelka.ru
#          port: 5349
#          type: turns
#          transport: tcp
#          restricted: true
  mod_vcard: {}
  mod_vcard_xupdate: {}
```

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[00:33:51] <Holger> Vahrein: Short answer is yes, A/V calls are end-to-end encrypted anyway.

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[00:34:59] <Holger> https://eturnal.net/doc/protocol.html

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[00:37:46] <Vahrein> Thank you, but I also did not have 5270 in the configuration, now I saw in the examples that it should be used as encryption between servers, is this correct, or is it possible without it?
```
-
    port: 5269
    ip: 1.1.1.1
    module: ejabberd_s2s_in
    max_stanza_size: 524288
  -
    port: 5270
    ip: 1.1.1.1
    tls: true
    module: ejabberd_s2s_in
    max_stanza_size: 524288
```

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[00:40:46] <zoidberg> I would not use the 3478. That port is abused all the time.

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[00:50:35] <Vahrein> want to say that it should be replaced with another, and what exactly is abused

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[00:56:24] <zoidberg> Yes, just use something else, udp. The "what exactly is abused" is: STUN always answer, because its easier to answer than to make the process of authentication. So there are lots and lots of "attacks" or whatever on that port.

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[00:58:17] <zoidberg> Its like using the 22 for ssh. Right?
[00:58:34] <zoidberg> although different situation.
[00:59:10] <zoidberg> Usually we do try to not use the 22

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[01:03:07] <Vahrein> mmm I'll think about it, I've never seen any attacks and this port, and what can you get there, port 22 authentication, 3478 has no authentication, I don't think it's dangerous
[01:03:14] <zoidberg> And about the 5270, yes its possible without it. But the 5270 is the best as of now.
[01:03:46] <zoidberg> 5270 = direct TLS which is considered the best as of today.
[01:04:16] <Vahrein> OK, thank you

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[08:51:58] <Holger> > mmm I'll think about it, I've never seen any attacks and this port, and what can you get there, port 22 authentication, 3478 has no authentication, I don't think it's dangerous
It's used for reflection DDoS: Atracker queries your STUN server (and many others) using a spoofed IP address, the STUN servers flood the spoofed IP address with their responses.

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[10:26:38] <Vahrein> Thanks, I tried changing the port to 2090, now calls don't go through. What port should I use? I also read that tcp is used instead of udp, but I couldn't find any specific examples. Maybe I should leave 5349?)

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[10:31:13] <Licaon_Kter> Vahrein: you can use any other port, the server tells the client which port to use
So just make sure you opened them all in the firewall, stun port, turn port and those many ports for the connections, udp and tcp just to be sure

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[10:31:14] <Vahrein> Thanks, I tried changing the port to 2090, now calls don't go through. What port should I use? I also read that tcp is used instead of udp, but I couldn't find any specific examples. Maybe I should leave 5349?)
oh no, now I managed to replace the port, and the call went through

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[10:33:28] <Vahrein> yes, everything worked out, how important is it to change UDP to TCP?

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[10:37:21] <Licaon_Kter> You don't change, you open them so they are used
Iirc it's more udp than tcp once the call connects

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[10:41:32] <Vahrein> It's just written on the network that the best protection against stun attacks is to change udp to tcp). So I think what and how to do. Although I understand that voice always use udp, maybe nonsense is written on the network

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[11:04:00] <Licaon_Kter> No, you can't change the standard :))

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[11:19:12] <Holger> Vahrein: Using TCP protects against those attacks indeed, but UDP is strongly preferable for A/V streaming, as TCP can easily add significant latency. Therefore my suggestion would usually be to (a) use a non-standard port (good enough to avoid reflection attacks in practice) and (b) don't offer TCP/TLS at all, only UDP. (If you offer both, clients will choose UDP anyway, but offering additional mechanisms adds call negotiation latency.) That's what our example config suggests as well.

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[11:20:37] <Holger> Actually, our example config uses the standard STUN/TURN port. I think I should change that.

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[11:32:26] <Holger> (Done.)
[11:34:55] <Holger> My only worry is that some existing setups might blindly apply that change and forget to update their firewall rules …

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[11:39:48] <Vahrein> Thank you, I understood everything, I did everything, but it is better to change the default port in the config so that people like me in the third year do not think about it). All the best

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[11:41:48] <Holger> Vahrein: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/18c54f4e9eb5

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[12:40:09] <Holger> !version messaging.one
[12:40:10] <Servant> Holger: messaging.one is running ejabberd version 24.10.6-messaging.one on unix/linux 6.1.0

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[12:40:51] <IGImonster> !version popeyetacos.de
[12:40:58] <Servant> IGImonster: popeyetacos.de is running ejabberd version 23.10-1~~bpo12+1.

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[13:53:38] <Licaon_Kter> IGImonster: one year old, wow
[13:54:04] <IGImonster> Backports uptodate🙈

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