ejabberd - Tuesday, November 19, 2024

[05:17:42] <leke> I have a question about MUC roles in ejabberd. I noticed that when a user leaves a room, they don't immediately lose their role, and it seems like there's a caching time. Can anyone tell me what the default caching time is for roles in ejabberd? Is it configurable?

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[08:02:26] <raver> Hey, does anyone have an idea why `mod_muc_rtbl` is failing with this message?
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2024-11-19 08:58:47.916530+01:00 [warning] <0.670.0>@ejabberd_s2s_out:handle_auth_failure/3:236 (tls|<0.670.0>) Failed outbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication rimkus.it -> xmppbl.org (141.95.0.253): Authentication failed: Peer provided no SASL mechanisms; most likely it doesn't accept our certificate
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[08:04:11] <Licaon_Kter> raver: and you did *not enable s2s_bidi, yes?
[08:04:17] <Licaon_Kter> raver: and you did *not* enable s2s_bidi, yes?
[08:04:21] <raver> Correct
[08:04:40] <raver> I enabled it once, it made problems then I disabled it again

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[08:07:42] <Licaon_Kter> Maybe MattJ can look into its logs

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[08:09:35] <raver> Would be awesome

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[10:09:58] <marc0s> Hi. We're facing a deploy where we have lots of virtualhosts (+200). They're actually defined in an external system, so I have an Elixir module that will fetch the hosts list from there and adds each of them to `hosts.yml` (and reloading config). During the deployment (launching ejabberd and loading all the hosts) process we see that we hit the `max_connections` limit of PostgreSQL (expected, but wondering if there's a way of having a "global" pool, instead of per-host) and, more importantly, a huge RAM consumption (peaking 15GiB, as reported by grafana, as we were unable to launch a shell during the process, might need to repeat it and prepare it in advance).
This has been observed in a production environment (k8s cluster) but couldn't reproduce the high RAM consumption it in a local machine with `docker compose` (~~200MiB). The `max_connections` setting value had to be increased, of course.
Has anyone faced similar behaviour with such a number of hosts? Any strategies you would want to share to handle scenarios like this?
Thanks!

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[10:20:19] <marc0s> btw, are the archives of this muc published at some website?

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[10:25:17] <marko.cupac> FreeBSD's port is outdated, I am trying to fix it from scratch, and am first trying to compile it directly without port. I am compiling and installing successfully but am getting 'no such file or directory observer.app' when starting with ejabberdctl foreground. Any hints?

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[10:26:14] <badlop> marc0s: just a small comment: reading https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/toplevel/#sql_pool_size
it says that:
connections to sql server = vhosts * sql_pool_size
if you can't reduce vhosts or the * operation, you can try reducing sql_pool_size

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[10:27:30] <marc0s> badlop, yes, I'm aware of `sql_pool_size`. Not sure how much I can reduce it, I have it set to `2` right now but let's see when we increase the load how it behaves

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[10:30:16] <badlop> observer.app <-- Observer is a GUI tool included in Erlang/OTP for viewing erlang node information, it is useful only in development, not production. For that reason, it is added to ejabberd release when you set "./configure --enable-tools", see
src/ejabberd.app.src.script: {tools, true} -> [observer];
and https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/install/source/#configure which says:
--enable-tools: Enable the use of development tools.

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[10:38:41] <Holger> Isn't the pool size global if the new schema is used? That was the _plan_ at least …

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[10:39:01] <marko.cupac> badlop: thx. I have anabled tools in configure phase. I'll try to remove it, recompile, see what happens.

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[10:41:16] <marc0s> Holger, global as it keeps just one single pool for all the SQL connections or just the value for the size of each vhost pool? (so all the pools have the same size)

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[10:43:00] <Holger> I meant the former. But I'm not sure it has been implemented that way (on my phone, and I use the old schema).

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[10:43:10] <Holger> > btw, are the archives of this muc published at some website?
https://process-one.net/logs/ejabberd@conference.process-one.net/
[10:43:27] <Holger> Oh that's gone?

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[10:43:38] <marc0s> looks like! 404

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[10:44:13] <Holger> Adrien, badlop, no public logs anymore?

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[10:47:14] <Holger> marc0s: BTW personally I'm fine with an even larger number of vhosts and two SQL connections per host. I actually like how that isolates the SQL load of one host from another.

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[10:47:32] <Holger> And connections/SQL threads are cheap.

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[10:49:12] <marc0s> Holger, yes, I'm also aligned with that. I wanted to know if there was another way of setting it up to try to locate the cause of the high memory usage in that specific deployment

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[10:53:55] <Holger> marc0s: I see high memory usage on startup as well. That's probably just many one-time allocations that aren't garbage-collected immediately, or at least not free'd to the OS (if the VM assumes there's enough memory available). Not sure there's much we could do to address that. I could give you a little script to trigger explicit GC if you're interested.

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[10:54:24] <Holger> (But the collection does happen eventually anyway.)
[10:54:49] <Adrien> @Holger, Indeed I deactivated it when we moved our main website. Will talk about it with Mickaël and see if it's possible to bring it back. I'm also interested on how it's used there community wise if you know more about it (pm)

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[10:56:04] <marc0s> Holger, ok, will try to lift the k8s resources' constraints and see if we get past the initial startup spike. Weird that my laptop still could launch ejabberd with +300 vhosts from cold start without any hassle... 🤷
[10:56:25] <Licaon_Kter> Easier than to screenshot our clients :))

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[10:57:00] <marc0s> Adrien, in my case, I can share conversations like the one I'm having now with Holger about an issue with my team easily. That's my main usage of public MUC logs :)

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[11:00:08] <Adrien> *taking notes*

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[11:02:03] <badlop> i've just checked it in runtime:
[11:02:07] <badlop> «The new schema stores the XMPP domain in a new column server_host in the database entries, so it allows to handle several XMPP domains in a single ejabberd database.» Still, each vhost gets its own connections to the database, even if it's the same database for all vhosts

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[11:02:35] <badlop> new_sql_schema reduces configuration work, at the expense of higher storage usage; the connectivity remains the same

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[11:03:45] <marc0s> badlop: thanks for the chek

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[11:06:50] <Holger> badlop: I see, thanks. I'm sure the plan to implement a single pool was the #1 reasoning zinid gave back then when I questioned the whole point of the new schema though.

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[12:05:40] <Holger> marc0s, FWIW:
```
#!/usr/bin/env escript
%%! -name gc@127.0.0.1
%%
%% The @host part of the node must be adjusted above and below if you don't use 127.0.0.1.
-define(NODE, 'ejabberd@127.0.0.1'). % Adjust if necessary.
-mode(compile).
-spec main([string()]) -> ok.
main(_Args) ->
  try erpc:call(?NODE, erlang, processes, []) of
    Processes when is_list(Processes) ->
      lists:foreach(fun gc/1, Processes)
  catch error:{erpc, Reason} ->
      io:fwrite(standard_error, "Can't get Erlang process list: ~~p~~n", [Reason]),
      halt(1)
  end.
-spec gc(pid()) -> ok.
gc(Pid) ->
  try erpc:call(?NODE, erlang, garbage_collect, [Pid]) of
    Result when is_boolean(Result) ->
      ok
  catch error:{erpc, Reason} ->
      io:fwrite(standard_error, "Can't garbage collect ~~p: ~~p~~n", [Pid, Reason]),
      halt(1)
  end.
```

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[12:06:49] <marc0s> Holger, thanks! So you call this whenever you want gc to be run, right?
[12:06:51] <Holger> marc0s, might be interesting to run that to track down whether it's "just" uncollected memory.
[12:06:54] <Holger> marc0s, yes.

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[12:07:52] <Holger> As the comment says you may have to adjust the node name(s), and use `-sname` rather than `-name` in case your ejabberd instance is `ejabberd@foo` rather than `ejabberd@foo.example.com`.

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[12:28:09] <marc0s> I haven't thought before, but we're using an external script for authentication, currently written in Nodejs because $reasons. Couldn't be that external custom auth method (or maybe not external "as is") be implemented as an ejabberd module? Because it seems that, spawning one nodejs process per vhost is actually impacting the memory usage (obviously). As per `top` VSZ value, beam.smp is around 1.5G, the rest up to ~~6GiB is consumed by the other processes...
After booting up, the memory usage does not decrease, even after running `ejabberdctl gc`.
All of this, without any real traffic going through. At a first glance, it seems like a bit high mem usage. But I can be proved wrong :)

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[12:33:14] <Holger> Heh, yeah, then again `VSZ` is quite meaningless. VMs like the idea of preallocating a huge pool to perform their own memory management, and the unused parts of those pools don't reduce the actually available memory. If anything, `RSS/RSZ` would be more relevant.

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[12:33:56] <Holger> marc0s, but yes an `ejabberd_auth_custom.erl` would be an option of course.
[12:35:14] <marc0s> any pointer on how to configure it?

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[12:35:36] <marc0s> when you refer to VM you mean the OS virtualization, not the BEAM I suppose?

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[12:36:59] <Holger> Ah sorry no I meant BEAM (and V8 or whatever runs Node.js code).

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[12:38:16] <Holger> They like doing `malloc(4G);` and that bumps VSZ by 4G but doesn't actually limit the memory available to other processes, as such.

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[12:38:37] <marc0s> I see

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[12:39:45] <Holger> RSS is a closer approximation to the memory actually used by a process.

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[13:35:30] <dwd> Although again, "it depends", since TEXT pages can in principle be shared between processes. Happens more for shared libs in compiled languages, I think.

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[13:36:55] <dwd> But certainly VSZ is almost certainly not a useful measure, since that includes all memory paged into the process space, whether or not it's shared, committed, memory-mapped, etc.

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[13:40:14] <Holger> > "it depends"
Yeah, there's no obvious "do what I want metric", esp. yes if you start taking shared pages into account it's probably not even obvious what I want.

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[18:22:54] <marc0s> Another (colateral?) thing I'm seeing is this error when I have high number of virtualhosts:
```
xmpp-1  | 18:20:31.340 [error] GenServer :memsup terminating
xmpp-1  | ** (stop) :emfile
xmpp-1  |     :erlang.open_port({:spawn, ~~c"\"/home/ejabberd/lib/os_mon-2.9.1/priv/bin/memsup\""}, [packet: 1])
xmpp-1  |     (os_mon 2.9.1) memsup.erl:648: :memsup.port_init/0
xmpp-1  | Last message: {:EXIT, #PID<0.7638.0>, {:emfile, [{:erlang, :open_port, [{:spawn, ~~c"\"/home/ejabberd/lib/os_mon-2.9.1/priv/bin/memsup\""}, [packet: 1]], [error_info: %{module: :erl_erts_errors}]}, {:memsup, :port_init, 0, [file: ~~c"memsup.erl", line: 648]}]}}
xmpp-1  | State: ~~c"memsup:format_status/2 crashed"
```
If I reduce it, the error doesn't show up. I don't know what it means

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[18:23:17] <marc0s> Another (colateral?) thing I'm seeing is this error when I have high number of virtualhosts:
```
xmpp-1  | 18:20:31.340 [error] GenServer :memsup terminating
xmpp-1  | ** (stop) :emfile
xmpp-1  |     :erlang.open_port({:spawn, ~~c"\"/home/ejabberd/lib/os_mon-2.9.1/priv/bin/memsup\""}, [packet: 1])
xmpp-1  |     (os_mon 2.9.1) memsup.erl:648: :memsup.port_init/0
xmpp-1  | Last message: {:EXIT, #PID<0.7638.0>, {:emfile, [{:erlang, :open_port, [{:spawn, ~~c"\"/home/ejabberd/lib/os_mon-2.9.1/priv/bin/memsup\""}, [packet: 1]], [error_info: %{module: :erl_erts_errors}]}, {:memsup, :port_init, 0, [file: ~~c"memsup.erl", line: 648]}]}}
xmpp-1  | State: ~~c"memsup:format_status/2 crashed"
```
If I reduce the number of vhosts, the error doesn't show up. I don't know what it means

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[19:13:08] <Holger> marc0s, `EMFILE` (see the `errno(3)` manpage), you're hitting the resource limit for the number of open file descriptors.

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[19:14:18] <Holger> We set `LimitNOFILE=65536` in our systemd unit, for a container you'd set it somewhere else …

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[19:17:34] <Holger> You could argue that the error message could be a little less Erlang like 😀 Then again, hitting resource limits with other daemons is often not logged at all …

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[19:32:51] <marc0s> Holger: thanks! Will check and raise that limit

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