ejabberd - Wednesday, December 4, 2024

[12:48:25] <badlop> I propose to block the account Neutradamus in all the processone repositories for 30 days.
The github documentation says:
> Blocking a user prevents the following on all your repositories:
> - opening or commenting on issues or pull requests
> - starring, forking, or watching
> - adding or editing wiki pages
Does anybody have any objection?

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[12:53:31] <MattJ> I doubt there will be any objection - many other projects have done this before (including Snikket and some non-XMPP projects). I know it seems like a harsh action, but the draining of developer time and motivation is significant.

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[15:07:37] <dwd> What part of the community code of conduct have they breached? ejabberd has a code of conduct, but unless you're saying they have harassed others by asking for the latest SCRAM or whatever, I'm not sure what your reasoning is. I mean, in the context of the code of conduct, I know they're irritating. (Not an objection, but a request for more context/reasoning).

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[15:24:13] <Holger> dwd: Not convinced there's a need for a formal, 'objective' basis for such a decision. If I believe someone's comments hurt my workflow more than they help I disable them, end of story. Whether or not that's true doesn't really seem relevant to me.

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[15:27:52] <Holger> (And in this case, he's been asked to adjust behavior endless times by many people and just ignores those requests entirely, which seems reason enough to me.)

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[15:34:13] <badlop> It would be shorter to mention what conduct he does not violate, but if you didn't yet realize, let's read
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd?tab=coc-ov-file#guidelines-for-respectful-and-efficient-communication-on-issues-discussions-and-prs
[15:34:26] <badlop> > Use Reactions
No, he does not use reactions to show gratitude, instead he publishes comments which are completely useless
For example four comments completely useless, just garbage, in one single issue:
https://github.com/processone/xmpp/issues/80
More recent examples:
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4300#issuecomment-2450046606
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/3340#issuecomment-2450040604
This is a behaviour that repeats continually. Here is an issue where he did nothing productive, just send a comment that spams our inbox:
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1403#issuecomment-2515559921

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[15:35:16] <badlop> > Be Patient
No, he is not patient, instead insists one, and again, and again, both in the issue tracker and sending private messages

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[15:35:49] <badlop> > Maintainer Priorities
No, he does not respect maintainer priorities. Instead, he demands people to do whatever he considers important. For that he opens issues, sends public comments to everywhere, and even sends private messages spamming not only my email inbox, my notification list, but also my xmpp client
Just to mention the last week:
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4303#issuecomment-2450019984
https://github.com/processone/xmpp/issues/97
https://github.com/processone/xmpp/issues/96
https://github.com/processone/xmpp/issues/95
https://github.com/processone/xmpp/issues/94
https://github.com/processone/xmpp/issues/93
https://github.com/processone/xmpp/issues/98#issuecomment-2511058664

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[15:38:01] <dwd> Then there you go. As long as you're justifying it under the code of conduct with a reasonable explanation, I think (for what very little that's worth) that you're fine.

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[15:43:07] <Holger> As I said personally I'd disagree with the CoC thing but if everyone is happy so am I of course 😃

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[15:48:27] <dwd> Holger, Well, if you have a CoC, you have to abide by it as well. That's the deal, really.

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[15:54:25] <Holger> Right, part of my problem is that I don't see the point of a CoC in the first place.

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[16:00:31] <Kris> Its a good pest repellent for people that dislike CoCs for some misguided ideological reasons 🤷‍♂️

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[16:02:58] <Holger> Kris: My misguided ideology also makes me dislike trolling 😘

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[16:03:59] <Kris> Then you will not have issues with the CoC 😎

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[16:05:41] <Licaon_Kter> Been asking for this for years... :shrug:

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[16:07:33] <dwd> Kris, I dislike CoCs, but I dislike not having one more.

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[16:08:12] <badmuff> should be a standard at all 'knigge' :D or modern 'knigge'.

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[16:21:08] <Holger> Maintainers or more generally "community managers" are either sane (from your perspective as a community member) or not. They will behave accordingly. A CoC won't change that at all.

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[16:24:21] <Kris> That wasn't my point. It's pretty much irrelevant whats written in the CoC. The mere existence of one is enough to repell some really annoying people that think it limits their "free speech".

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[16:25:05] <Holger> Ah.

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[16:28:42] <zoidberg> I do dislike CoCs, because having one today is basically choosing a political side. That being said i understand that a few rules might be useful.

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[16:30:08] <Kris> zoidberg: that's only what one side thinks.

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[16:30:27] <zoidberg> I have _no side_

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[16:30:50] <zoidberg> Still i do know which side is the one pushing the CoCs

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[16:30:51] <Kris> Then you shouldn't worry about CoCs 🤷‍♂️

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[16:32:06] <zoidberg> I dislike being identified as either...

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[16:33:19] <Kris> Well, by falling for the brainworm that CoCs are somehow political, you are chosing one side.

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[16:35:24] <Licaon_Kter> https://upload.convorb.im/7c370453f738f2c0c995eaee643e5e0aba76aeb0/ROEovMlYiPB5FrJFwyegkLWD2Dea48ZToenBhSpg/_5MOwd_bTdCFxhN6y2LepA.jpg
[16:35:29] <Licaon_Kter> There's no need for CoC to consider this ^^^ an abuse

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[16:36:56] <Kris> At the very least they should learn that there is a subscribe button 🙄

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[16:41:56] <Holger> I just need a CoC to make Licaon_Kter shut up discussing my age.

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[16:44:38] <Licaon_Kter> Did Dennis Ritchie taught you that Holger ?

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[16:44:58] <Licaon_Kter> Kris: their JS free browser doesn't press the button, or some $hit

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[16:45:45] <neox> > Kris: their JS free browser doesn't press the button, or some $hit
But there is software that allows to access GH issues without nonfree JS, e.g woob

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[16:46:05] <Licaon_Kter> We're past that for now :)

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[22:05:04] <Neustradamus> Badlop: I know you dislike that I have done a ticket with a lot of XEP-XXXX versions are missing, it is the reality but when it will be good, updates will be easy:
- https://github.com/processone/xmpp/issues/98
And a lot of are very old, so I have requested the support of latest one:
- https://github.com/processone/xmpp/issues/created_by/Neustradamus
Some links that you have published are not good, there are no comments from me, you have removed my comment to follow a ticket or a PR because I receive only if I am mentionned or commented.
I have done for the team, a lot of "thanks" for your reactivity, your work, etc.
It is important to link several Issues/PRs together to find easily.

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[22:09:44] <Kris> At least stop commenting on isdues just to subscribe. That's really obnoxious.

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[22:10:07] <Kris> At least stop commenting on issues just to subscribe. That's really obnoxious.

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[22:11:25] <Kris> An issue that's open doesn't need a reminder.

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[22:51:07] <Licaon_Kter> Neustradamus: you've been asked to stop years ago, c'mon

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