ejabberd - Wednesday, December 25, 2024

[02:06:22] <banana> im testing whether my server's MUC working or not against my other account from conversations.im... i don't see any error in my own server, my own server's turn/stun are accepting calls, but idk if conversations.im server support it??? anyone knows???

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[02:24:55] <zoidberg> STUN yes, TURN idk.
[02:25:20] <zoidberg> It is trickier to test TURN anyway.

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[02:27:56] <zoidberg> Why dont you test with both acc on your server?

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[02:55:59] <banana> > Why dont you test with both acc on your server?
yes, i will. idk why i didn't think about this way. thx zoidberg!

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[06:05:52] <badmuff> > ejabberd.service - LSB: Starts ejabberd jabber server
> Active: failed (Result: exit-code)
> Process: 25280 ExecStart=/etc/init.d/ejabberd start (code=exited, status=4)
I suggest verifying your config. If you made any changes that aren't working, it might be because they weren't reloaded or the service wasn't restarted.
[06:07:50] <badmuff> If you don't made any changes, it must be something else.

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[07:00:47] <banana> hmm... still not connecting correctly. according to my log (slightly dubbed):
- Opened c2s session for alice@exmaple.rs/dino.123123
- Offering STUN/TURN services to alice@example.rs/dino.123123
- (tls|<0.30932.0>) Closing c2s session for bob@example.rs/dino.123123: Stream reset by peer
the modifications i did was done by following this guide: https://www.process-one.net/blog/how-to-set-up-ejabberd-video-voice-calling
I tested with 1 android device running Conversations, and the other running Dino...

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[07:01:27] <banana> maybe i can try a different client

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[07:02:22] <zoidberg> did you port forward the range?
[07:03:14] <zoidberg> or just allow it in your firewall(in case there is no NAT)

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[07:03:43] <zoidberg> turn_min_port: 49152
turn_max_port: 65535
[07:03:49] <banana> oh it does work!
[07:04:10] <zoidberg> Also, turn_ip: 0.0.0.0
[07:04:15] <banana> but it works from Dino to Dino only??? maybe sth wrong with my phone?
[07:04:18] <zoidberg> This is very important
[07:04:29] <banana> > Also, turn_ip: 0.0.0.0
i c. let me check

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[07:04:46] <zoidberg> turn_ip needs to be your *external IP*
[07:04:59] <banana> i did update the IP to my real external IP

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[07:05:20] <zoidberg> Right now or was already set?

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[07:05:38] <banana> yes, it's already set. and I restarted it
[07:05:49] <zoidberg> Still cant call?

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[07:06:09] <banana> yes it can call and receive call. but it works from my Dino to another Dino client
[07:06:18] <zoidberg> Is the range opened (UDP only)

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[07:06:46] <zoidberg> > turn_min_port: 49152
> turn_max_port: 65535
This is a range
[07:07:48] <banana> ah you are probably right, i found 1 mistake in my firewalld zone
[07:08:16] <zoidberg> the range will only be used by TURN calls
[07:08:26] <zoidberg> Most of the call can connect via STUN
[07:08:55] <zoidberg> so
[07:09:03] <zoidberg> If your server, sometimes work
[07:09:06] <zoidberg> Sometimes dont
[07:09:22] <zoidberg> It probably means that STUN is working, and TURN is not.

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[07:12:22] <zoidberg> If, on LAN on the other hand all calls will work regardless.

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[07:25:37] <banana> > It probably means that STUN is working, and TURN is not.
strangely for between Dino to Dino client, it always work. i tend to think this is a problem with my android issue... in the past, i hosted matrix + turn, it also had similar situation when if i initiate call from my android phone to any target client, call would 100% fail. however, it suceeded when i initiate call NOT from my phone, to pretty much any friends

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[07:27:23] <banana> i will test my theory again later with someone running a different android rom

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[07:28:12] <zoidberg> Do like this

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[07:29:12] <zoidberg> if your server is on a LAN that you have access to
[07:29:30] <zoidberg> Just connect your phone to the same network as the dino client
[07:29:45] <zoidberg> Forget about where the server is.

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[07:30:01] <zoidberg> The clients, Dino, and Conversations
[07:30:15] <zoidberg> Put then on the same LAN, then make a call.
[07:30:28] <zoidberg> If it connects then its not your phone.

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[07:31:18] <banana> i c. my server is remote. so no way to physically access to it. I could try to create a new local instance to see run the test u said

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[07:31:57] <zoidberg> Forget the server
[07:32:21] <zoidberg> Conversations and Dino on the same LAN

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[07:33:06] <badmuff> i think zoidberg means wifi 😀 - so disconncect from wifi and connect to 3g/4g/5g - that is meant i think.
[07:33:23] <zoidberg> No i mean, connect to the wifi
[07:33:26] <badmuff> oh forgot 2g 😀

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[07:33:33] <zoidberg> And call the dino on the same lan
[07:33:38] <zoidberg> So if it connects
[07:33:39] <banana> > i think zoidberg means wifi 😀 - so disconncect from wifi and connect to 3g/4g/5g - that is meant i think.
yep, i can put them both under the same wifi

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[07:37:15] <badmuff> perhaps ipv4/ipv6 issue? only guessing.

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[07:39:57] <badmuff> allowed to ask some basic questions? you are using coturn? or eturnal? or included turn? on which ports are the turn server running. are you multiplexing via sslh or nginxstreams?

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[07:41:20] <banana> > allowed to ask some basic questions? you are using coturn? or eturnal? or included turn? on which ports are the turn server running. are you multiplexing via sslh or nginxstreams?
im using the included turn
[07:41:29] <banana> and i found the issue now!

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[07:41:50] <banana> thx zoidberg for telling me to put them into the same wifi

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[07:42:54] <banana> the issue is that my phone's traffic was going through VPN, when i put both to the same local wifi, i also disable the VPN, and the connection was made very successfully

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[07:48:45] <banana> and slightly further digging, i found out 1 particular VPN server (a default server my phone uses) does seem to block certain ports (very likely, i haven't checked that specific server's VPN config). but the other few servers i tested are happy with it. oh well... 😅

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[07:49:46] <banana> tx badmuff & zoidberg. helped me a ton!

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[07:55:04] <zoidberg> banana: the VPN you use is at the same server running ejabberd?

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[07:55:09] <badmuff> Cudos to Zoidberg!

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[07:55:46] <banana> > banana: the VPN you use is at the same server running ejabberd?
no, it's a service from a provider

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[07:55:57] <zoidberg> 👍
[07:56:43] <badmuff> Consider assigning port 443 directly if you prefer to streamline your setup and avoid the hassle of managing multiple port mappings. DirectTLS 443.

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[07:58:05] <badmuff> esp. if you are on different environments which are not forwarding any other ports.

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[08:30:20] <zoidberg> It can also mean that your TURN is not working, and only calls that are possible with STUN are connected.

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[16:41:58] <raver> Is there a trustworthy free stun/turn server? I can't get my own running properly on my home server (ds-lite)

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[16:43:16] <Licaon_Kter> raver: No not really, TURN is expensive, CPU&bandwidth wise

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[16:44:16] <Licaon_Kter> Holger: Servant is gone?
[16:44:43] <raver> Licaon_Kter: sad, there is this one: stun:stun.l.google.com:19302
But I don't want to rely on Google...
[16:44:58] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: That's magicbrocolli's bot.
[16:45:05] <Holger> (I think.)
[16:45:24] <Holger> raver: There's non-Google STUN servers but no TURN.
[16:45:33] <Holger> (And no Google TURN either, AFAIK.)

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[16:45:47] <raver> Holger: I see thanks

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[16:46:38] <raver> Slowly getting the feeling that I need to rent a dedicated server

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[16:47:14] <Holger> You could use e.g. stun.conversations.im:443 but without TURN, ~~20% of the calls will fail.
[16:47:31] <raver> > You could use e.g. stun.conversations.im:443 but without TURN, ~~20% of the calls will fail.
❤️

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[16:48:11] <Holger> raver: Yeah dedicated server really makes sense for TURN. Cheapest will be good enough for family & friends.
[16:48:40] <Holger> (Oracle has those free ARM servers, I have one of those but I'd be too afraid they'll change policy one day.)

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[17:00:08] <Licaon_Kter> raver: a $4 vps is enough, running eturnal

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[17:01:56] <raver> Licaon_Kter: thx I'll have a look, though the oracle offer is very attractive, I already setup an account but haven't tried yet

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[17:11:23] <Holger> I have an instance for months (years) but just use it for testing as I'm afraid of them taking it down at some point where I'm too lazy to move elsewhere. But so far it's fine and would definitely do the trick.

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[17:15:55] <raver> Holger: cool I'll give it a try.
Currently I'm hosting everything I can at home (IPV6 only) and have an uberspace.de account from where I route my services to have them available on Ipv4 as well, but unfortunately uberspace gives you only 20 exposed Ports per account so running turn there is not really an option

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[17:18:50] <Kris> Ah, if you need a relay for ipv4 anyways, then probably good idea to get a proper server for it.
[17:18:57] <Holger> My proper private VM is at netcup, cheapo + technically fine. Seems their cheapest offer is 4€ at the moment.
[17:19:32] <Holger> You definitely want an IPv4 relay (IPv6 relays require client support, last time I checked the popular clients didn't support those).
[17:19:44] <Kris> Netcup is sttongly overprovisioning, I moved away from them because of inconsistent performance.
[17:20:00] <Kris> Netcup is strongly overprovisioning, I moved away from them because of inconsistent performance.

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[17:20:07] <Holger> Ah okay. Been there for years and haven't noticed any issues so far.

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[17:21:54] <Holger> There's these docs for Uberspace: https://lab.uberspace.de/guide_eturnal/
[17:22:00] <Holger> But yes "So lets open 5 ports" sounds meh.

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[17:24:57] <Kris> Is it like one port per user, or how does that work?

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[17:28:28] <Licaon_Kter> Kris: like 4 per user/call x 2 users maybe

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[17:44:48] <badmuff> If it's allowed, hetzner is providing good service. If you see any offer from contabo, x your fingers and run!

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[23:41:31] <zoidberg> I would recommend my vps provider, but lets say i do, and then it becomes slow because lots of people start using?

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[23:41:35] <zoidberg> 🤐
[23:41:49] <zoidberg> Its _perfect_ the way it is now.

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