ejabberd - Wednesday, May 28, 2025

[03:48:34] <zoidberg> Ahhh
[03:49:31] <zoidberg> i remember Guus saying that it was necessary to have pubsub records and present in the certs too
[03:50:08] <zoidberg> Not sure if thats needed on the ejabberd module.

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[03:58:42] <zoidberg> Which is basically what Z eank already said. But in laymans words

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[06:17:18] <zeank> I think that’s another issue but you’re right. It’s another requirement, needs to be explained at the documentation. The reason is that his service must be able to connect to the local pubsub service (over s2s). So there must be a DNS entry for it, it must be in the cert and generally accessible from the public.

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[06:19:58] <zeank> Need to talk to him, cause I wonder how he knows which service to use in case there is more than one.

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[07:49:26] <zeank> updated and fixed https://github.com/processone/xmpp/pull/100 (needed for `mod_antispam` PR)

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[07:59:30] <zeank> badlop (or whoever you might be able to help here): if I have a config where in ejabberd.yml I set `hosts` for `mod_pubsub` to a list of hostnames (like pubsub1.localhost and pubsub2.localhost) then I get `gen_mod:get_module_opt(<<"localhost">>, mod_pubsub, host) -> <<"pubsub.localhost">>` and `gen_mod:get_module_opt(<<"localhost">>, mod_pubsub, hosts) -> [<<"pubsub1.localhost">>, <<"pubsub2.localhost">>]`. Is this the desired behavior? I don't think that `pubsub.localhost` exists ...

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[08:05:10] <zeank> in ejabberd.yml `host` is not set for mod_pubsub, only hosts ...

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[09:38:59] <zeank> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/pull/362 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[09:43:06] <zeank> tests are failing but it looks more like a general issue with ejabberd-contrib to me

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[09:49:45] <blue> Hi! Adventures is my middle name! But I'm afraid I might be not much of a use there - going to just enable pubsub node tonight

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[09:51:54] <badlop> zeank: right, seems some general action issue, i'll look ;)

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[09:55:25] <zeank> thank you :)

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[11:54:16] <nigel> Hi all. I am attempting to use this setup from https://docs.akkoma.dev/stable/configuration/integrations/howto_ejabberd/
for auth, but get many lines of
`INFO:root:Error while processing data from ejabberd unpack requires a buffer of 2 bytes` in the log and no user created (there is only one Akkoma user: me). Thanks in advance for your time 🧡

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[12:12:53] <nigel> oh, and I have also posted on the Akkoma forum.

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[12:57:04] <zeank> badlop: there's still one failing, can I rerun them somehow? No clue tbh. https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/actions/runs/15297132946/job/43028778928?pr=362

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[13:02:04] <Holger> zeank, badlop: I triggered a re-run.

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[13:07:29] <zeank> thx :) [I'm not sure if it's even meant to be green now, ie if something has been fixed already]

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[13:09:39] <Holger> Still red, so probably not :-) Just pressed the knob as reaction to the "can I rerun" question.

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[13:20:52] <zeank> Well thanks anyway!

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[14:36:49] <Andre> Hello, all.
I am trying to improve my set-up, and I would like to know if the port 5223 (TLS) is necessary, or if all clients are now using StartTLS ?
Thanks.
[14:38:32] <prefiks> it's not strictly necessary, i don't think there is a client that can't use starttls

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[14:39:27] <prefiks> with direct tls you can skip couple roundtrips vs using starttls, so it can make logging it a bit faster

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[14:39:45] <prefiks> but if having this is a problem you can have just 5222

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[14:40:22] <Andre> Thanks, not really an issue. I was wondering if there was some public info about the servers using it.
[14:40:43] <zoidberg> I only use directtls(5223)
[14:41:04] <zoidberg> Its today best stuff.
[14:41:21] <zoidberg> But some older clients might not be compatible.
[14:42:28] <Andre> Thanks, I don't know why I thought it was the other way around.

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[14:44:29] <badlop> from my stats, c2s was used recently only by blacksmith, bombusmod, and pandion

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[14:45:58] <erebion> > I only use directtls(5223)
Same. I don't use STARTTLS for anything.

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[14:46:24] <zoidberg> > Thanks, I don't know why I thought it was the other way around.
The documentation was made when startTLS was the best, now things have changed.

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[15:33:50] <Holger> Linking stuff dynamically rather than statically was bestest until people discovered you could link stuff statically rather than dynamically yay.

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[16:23:39] <erebion> >> I only use directtls(5223)
> Same. I don't use STARTTLS for anything.
(And we should all just choose something decent and not insecure.)

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[16:27:36] <Holger> STARTTLS isn't really insecure per se though.

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[16:29:00] <prefiks> starttls in xmpp was just a way to have multiple services using same ip address in times before alpn was a thing

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[16:30:03] <prefiks> from security point of view there is not that much difference between those two (as long as server requires startls)
[16:30:15] <zoidberg> I like direct because my server is far so makes a big difference in connecting time.

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[16:31:12] <zoidberg> and cellphones jumping wifi and data all the time
[16:31:35] <zoidberg> So directtls for me saves a lot of time

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[16:32:48] <erebion> > from security point of view there is not that much difference between those two (as long as server requires startls)
Nope, as long as the client requires STARTTLS and does not silently fall back to plaintext.

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[16:35:03] <Holger> Yes there were STARTTLS bugs with the login state machine in some email and also XMPP clients.

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[16:52:40] <Andre> Thanks everyone for your help !

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[17:38:05] <Licaon_Kter> HEAD built fine with OTP28 and HEAD rebar3 today

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[17:58:29] <Holger> Yay.

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[18:53:34] <blue> Yes... mr. Zeank was absolutely right!
curl http://xmpp.macaw.me/.well-known/matrix/server                                                                                                  2
Host unknown
curl -H "Host: macaw.me" http://xmpp.macaw.me/.well-known/matrix/server                                                                       done in 5s
{
   "m.server": "matrix.macaw.me:8448"
}
Is there a way to make ejabberd module mod_http_fileserver ignore the host?

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[18:56:48] <zeank> I think that’s something you can just handle at your nginx.conf rather than ejabberd.

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[18:57:37] <zeank> I still don’t want to be a sir or a Mr., just a buddy, ok? 😅

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[19:17:33] <Slava Bendersky> Is possible to add support XEP-0444: Message Reactions
[19:17:34] <Slava Bendersky> ?

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[19:19:21] <blue> Buddy is kind of informal, i may go with herr or senhor 😅
But I afraid there is no ngixnx there... This is a direct ipv6 connection straight ot the container, nginx is only going to serve macaw.me host, it feels a bit wasteful to set up junx there just to serve this token

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[19:19:50] <Licaon_Kter> Slava Bendersky: reactions are a client feature, no?

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[19:20:37] <Slava Bendersky> I thought some stanza need to be on server

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[19:22:04] <Licaon_Kter> Slava Bendersky: eg. search occupant_id in docs, that's needed

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[19:22:23] <zoidberg> yes ☝️☝️

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[19:22:48] <Slava Bendersky> Ok

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[19:24:32] <zoidberg> add this ☝️ Slava Bendersky

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[19:27:12] <zeank> > But I afraid there is no ngixnx there... This is a direct ipv6 connection straight ot the container, nginx is only going to serve macaw.me host, it feels a bit wasteful to set up junx there just to serve this token
Ok, tbh I don’t have a solution there. Maybe someone else might chime in? I totally get you don’t want an extra nginx just for that. I was just taking assumptions about your setup, which don’t seem to be true.

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[19:31:37] <zeank> This config option for ejabberd_http might help:
```
default_host
undefined | HostName
If the HTTP request received by ejabberd contains the HTTP header Host with an ambiguous virtual host that doesn’t match any one defined in ejabberd (see Host Names), then this configured HostName is set as the request Host. The default value of this option is: undefined.
```
https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/listen-options/#default_host

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[20:02:38] <blue> How can I not call you sir after that amount of help?
Thank you, found that article too, tried, it didn't work. But I decided to add xmpp.macaw.me to hosts, and then it seems to have worked, but I'm still not sure if it didn't introduced any side effects

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[20:07:23] <zeank> Tbh the bigger problem is (I think) that a client who wants to use a websocket connection for their macaw.me domain will query https://macaw.me/.well-known/host-meta and not the one at https://xmpp.macaw.me. But I might be mistaken.

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[20:08:57] <blue> I guess i have covered it too - those host meta are served by the router nginx from the other container (/matrix/server too, but I really was not sure if it was sufficient)

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[20:10:25] <zeank> So but depending on what this response says you might be back to the old problem of it points to xmpp.macaw.me

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[20:10:39] <zeank> So but depending on what this response says you might be back to the old problem if it points to xmpp.macaw.me

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[20:11:55] <zeank> Adding xmpp.macaw.me as a host seems problematic to me. Maybe check why the config option from above isn’t working. You sure you added it to the right place?

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[20:12:45] <zeank> Anyway. Gotta go. 😴

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[20:15:15] <blue> I guess so...
```
  -
    port: 80
    ip: "::"
    module: ejabberd_http
    default_host: xmpp.macaw.me
    request_handlers:
      /.well-known: mod_http_fileserver
    custom_headers:
      "Access-Control-Allow-Origin": "*"
      "Access-Control-Allow-Methods": "OPTIONS, HEAD, GET"
      "Access-Control-Allow-Headers": "Accept, Accept-Language, Content-Language, Content-Type"
```

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[20:18:13] <zeank> You need to set default_host to macaw.me

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[20:18:25] <zeank> Not xmpp.macaw.me

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[20:21:36] <blue> tried, didn't fix it. I feel really bad keeping you from sleep

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[23:47:45] <erebion> I've opened a Merge Request for mod_unified_push, as it's now been working fine for me for a while. Seems to do what it claims while at the same time being refreshingly easy to configure (just add it to an http listener for /up, for example) https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/pull/363

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[23:48:21] <erebion> Its author will retire the original repo if it gets accepted and presumably work with the new repo instead.

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