ejabberd - Sunday, June 1, 2025

[05:01:13] <zoidberg> And if you want your server to work nicely without issues, you do need a domain i think you can use free alternatives from like no-ip or whatever.

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[05:03:03] <zoidberg> To configure your ejabberd you can find the config file at /opt/ejabberd/conf/ejabberd.yml

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[05:53:52] <Kris> doofus: better use the official .deb repository

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[07:42:50] <Holger> doofus, the upstream DEB doesn't depend on erlang-mnesia or any other Debian packages.

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[07:43:53] <Holger> doofus, if it didn't start I'd be interested in the output of `journalctl -u ejabberd` and/or `systemctl stop ejabberd; ejabberdctl live`.

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[12:35:33] <mitexleo> Hi, how do I install the ecaptcha module when using docker compose?

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[12:40:25] <mitexleo> When I use mod_mam (mnesia), will messages be stored forever?

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[12:40:58] <erebion> Yes, but I recently learned Mnesia is not recommended as it gets corrupt when it gets larger.

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[12:41:21] <erebion> Consider migrating to a regular database, PostgreSQL for example.

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[12:42:24] <erebion> The default config file acutally includes a note to first switch away from Mnesia before enabling mod_mam

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[12:43:01] <mitexleo> > The default config file acutally includes a note to first switch away from Mnesia before enabling mod_mam
Yeah. I thought mod_mam was for storing messages when the recipient is offline.

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[12:43:29] <erebion> Exactly

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[12:44:33] <mitexleo> > Exactly
But I don't want to store the messages on the server after delivery.

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[12:44:43] <erebion> Apparently large amounts of data can break Mnesia, which can happen quite quickly with multi user chats.

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[12:45:14] <erebion> > But I don't want to store the messages on the server after delivery.
You should probably do that, if you want people to receive a message sent while they were offline.

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[12:45:31] <mitexleo> > But I don't want to store the messages on the server after delivery.
How can I achieve this?

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[12:46:22] <erebion> By not enabling mod_mam, then all messages sent while someone is offline (or has spotty mobile connectivity) will be lost.

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[12:47:09] <erebion> I'd enable that. If you don't want to store permanently, consider keeping messages for a week or two, so that messages won't be lost if the client if offline for a while.
[12:47:20] <erebion> Because nobody is online and connected for every single second.

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[12:48:04] <erebion> Also, if you ask something in a MUC and then lose connectivity, you'll never receive the answer to your question.

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[12:49:55] <mitexleo> Hmm.. I think I will delete the messages, maybe, after 7 days.
[12:50:16] <erebion> Seems sensible.
[12:50:51] <erebion> I do it a bit longer, so I don't lose anything in case I'm sick for a week and don't open my client. But do what you prefer of course. :)

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[12:52:00] <mitexleo> > Hmm.. I think I will delete the messages, maybe, after 7 days.
How can I do this? Can you please share your config?

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[12:56:11] <erebion> Nope, it contains credentials
[12:56:20] <erebion> I will not clean it up now
[12:57:35] <mitexleo> https://buddyverse.one:5443/upload/2dd0f05b975b874a398c6907d487453ed2e038ee/ECnU17gf8QSnUTIbn2b2YlMj6xDmYiXiTNJpONKU/Screenshot_From_2025-06-01_18-57-15.png
[12:57:43] <mitexleo> Looks good?

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[12:59:48] <erebion> Nope, this parameter does not exist.
[12:59:53] <erebion> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/?h=mod_mam#mod_mam
[12:59:53] <erebion> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/?h=mod_offline#mod_offline
[12:59:57] <erebion> Have a look at the docs

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[13:00:25] <erebion> Also, just paste the code snippet. Some people might not see well, others might have issue reading bright on dark.

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[13:05:31] <mitexleo> > Nope, this parameter does not exist.
Okay. I'll wait for you to share the config then

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[13:05:56] <erebion> I won't. Just look at the parameters that exist.

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[13:06:39] <erebion> cache_life_time seems to do what you are looking for

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[13:10:40] <mitexleo> > cache_life_time seems to do what you are looking for
Maybe you could take a look in your config and confirm the parameter to use? I

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[13:14:03] <mitexleo> If I switch to another storage backend (postgres), will it erase all user accounts?

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[13:19:36] <erebion> You can migrate the data
[13:20:02] <erebion> > Maybe you could take a look in your config and confirm the parameter to use? I
I'm, busy with other stuff, I'm just trying to answer a couple questions in the gaps

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[13:28:22] <mitexleo> > I'm, busy with other stuff, I'm just trying to answer a couple questions in the gaps
Ah! ok.

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[16:37:33] <doofus> I did manage to get an isolated server working yesterday using Debian's patched version... though it's not current.
Debian definitely does a few things differently but it actually starts the server up successfully. I'll start over with recommended then

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[17:11:20] <doofus> okay, I made extra sure to remove all leftovers from the debian "official" package and this time the processone package installed properly and started up
[17:11:26] <doofus> a much better experience

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[17:22:51] <doofus> does pgsql version matter or can I just use, umm, 15 is the latest I have on debian

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[17:29:43] <Licaon_Kter> doofus: Use whatever

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[17:53:16] <mitexleo> > But I don't want to store the messages on the server after delivery.
Can anyone else please help me with this?

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[17:58:58] <Licaon_Kter> mitexleo: You never know if it was delivered to all clients. OMEMO encrypted messages are safe to hold on server. Just set a time for MAM hold, say 30 days, to make sure all users get their messages. Note that "mod_offline" will send the messages ONLY to the FIRST client connecting.

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[17:59:55] <zoidberg> you use 3 commands to clean up with ejabberdctl:
`ejabberdctl --no-timeout delete_old_mam_messages all XX`
then
`ejabberdctl delete_old_messages XX`
(Where XX is days)
then
`ejabberdctl delete_expired_messages`
[18:00:15] <zoidberg> Got this from L icaon_Kter not sure it helps you.

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[18:14:33] <Holger> > Note that "mod_offline" will send the messages ONLY to the FIRST client connecting.
That, and you lose reliability. If that first client loses the connection while retrieving the offline spool, the remaining messages may be lost. (There's workarounds to that, but it's all meh. Just do MAM.)

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[18:19:58] <erebion> > a much better experience
I just miss a systemd unit, but that can probably be solved by taking the one from Debian and changing paths.
The person packaging ejabberd for Debian is looking for help, btw.

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[18:28:44] <doofus> this did install a systemd unit
[18:31:17] <doofus> are we missing documentation for the different databases? I am reading how to configure ejabberd, but not how to configure the database

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[18:32:08] <doofus> oh, it's supposed to create the schema on first run

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[18:32:40] <doofus> I must have created the database incorrectly in postgres

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[18:37:38] <doofus> cause I'm getting stuff like
```
@ejabberd_sql_schema:start/1:58 Failed to create table schema_ve
rsion: [{severity,'ERROR'},
                                        {86,<<"ERROR">>},
                                        {code,<<"42501">>},
                                        {message,
                                         <<"permission denied for schema public">>},
```
[18:38:12] <doofus> cause I'm getting stuff like
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@ejabberd_sql_schema:start/1:58 Failed to create table schema_version: [{severity,'ERROR'},
                                        {86,<<"ERROR">>},
                                        {code,<<"42501">>},
                                        {message,
                                         <<"permission denied for schema public">>},
```

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[18:38:22] <Holger> doofus: You do need (to create) a database user with the necessary permissions.

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[18:38:36] <doofus> I thought I did

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[18:38:52] <Holger> (And I'm not sure the initial schema is actually created automatically these days? But maybe it is.)
[18:39:08] <doofus> documentation says it is automatic

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[18:39:41] <Holger> Otherwise you'd do it like this (or similarly for Postgres):
https://docs.ejabberd.im/tutorials/mysql/#mysql-database-creation
[18:39:44] <doofus> I did do a `grant all on database <database> to ejabberd;`

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[18:40:07] <doofus> followed some instructions on the web for creating a database and user
[18:40:27] <doofus> I'll go read up on verifying my grants

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[18:40:38] <Holger> erebion: The package should install this unit (with paths expanded):
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/master/ejabberd.service.template

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[18:48:18] <doofus> made ejabberd the owner of the database and its happy now

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