ejabberd - Thursday, June 12, 2025

[13:33:21] <erebion> > Btw, opened a Merge Request on the Matrix website repo adding ejabberd as a Matrix server: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/pull/2780
They'd like to know whether the ejabberd maintainers would like it listed, could an ejabberd maintainer/dev please comment there? :)

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[14:15:24] <Conversations> Hey, wanted to ask how to change a password for a user if he has no admin rights? Thank you

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[14:19:17] <zoidberg> What do you mean
[14:19:32] <zoidberg> You as admin change a person password
[14:19:50] <zoidberg> Or a person that its not admin changing his own password?
[14:19:59] <zoidberg> Does he remember the old password?
[14:20:33] <zoidberg> If you are talking about the conversations.im server then if he still logged in he can still change it.
[14:20:50] <zoidberg> There is a mechanism for it.

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[14:21:37] <sk> yes, let's say it is regular user and connected with an app to the server
[14:21:47] <sk> ank knows his current password

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[14:23:11] <zoidberg> If he knows his current password its easy
[14:23:22] <zoidberg> Depends on server settings

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[14:23:49] <zoidberg> But if the server allow, then client side there will be something with "change password"
[14:24:11] <zoidberg> which client is the user using?

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[14:33:16] <sk> let's say monocles

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[14:39:16] <zoidberg> Im going to say whats on conversations, monocles should be at least close

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[14:40:23] <zoidberg> '3 dots' >'manage accounts' >'click on the account' >'! Dots again'>'change password'
[14:40:35] <zoidberg> '3 dots' >'manage accounts' >'click on the account' >'3 Dots again'>'change password'

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[15:13:53] <erebion> > Btw, opened a Merge Request on the Matrix website repo adding ejabberd as a Matrix server: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/pull/2780
Discussion right now is like: Then let's put it in the bridges category, as it is a bridge
me: wait, no, it isn't
*sigh*

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[15:15:33] <erebion> Would love to see the view of ejabberd devs

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[15:39:22] <Licaon_Kter> Geez, wonder why XMPP admins didn't jump ship still?

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[15:41:37] <Mickaël> We would like indeed to have ejabberd listed on Matrix

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[15:42:54] <Mickaël> It is possible to bridge to XMPP but not sure bridging to Matrix make any sense, as you have to act fully as a server to communicate with a Matrix server

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[15:43:55] <Mickaël> So indeed ejabberd does not allow Matrix client to connect directly to ejabberd, but the underlying conversation mecanism require that you support server mechanism

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[15:44:41] <Mickaël> A bridge implies that something is somewhat a basic conversion, which is not the case for Matrix

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[15:44:45] <Mickaël> Not sure if this helps

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[18:09:22] <Conversations> Is it possible in the future that ejabberd will support encryption in matrix gateway?

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[18:10:29] <Kris> Theoretically yes and it was mentioned in a blog post as a future option. However it would not be true e2ee.

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[18:11:18] <Kris> For that you would need client support for MegOLM, which is very unlikely
[18:11:47] <Conversations> I found an interesting bug with the monocles client when writing through matrix gateway before message two.empty messages are sent

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[18:12:03] <Conversations> I found an interesting bug with the monocles client when writing through matrix gateway before message two empty messages are sent

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[18:55:12] <Conversations> > For that you would need client support for MegOLM, which is very unlikely
Yeah so most likely encryption between servers and then between client and server

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[19:22:56] <Holger> Interesting how Matrix functionality seems to be one of the most demanded topics in this XMPP channel 😭

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[19:23:19] <Holger> Any development going towards Matrix is obviously development not going towards XMPP.

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[20:24:05] <Doofus Canadensis> yeah, I want matrix support to work so that I can migrate to XMPP while still keeping in touch with those not ready to move

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[20:25:13] <Holger> Yes I get that. I want all that and everything else as well, but if we can't have everything, my priorities are different.

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[20:26:09] <Holger> I just run Element on my phone in case one of my two-and-a-half Matrix contacts talks to me; and call it a day.
[20:26:22] <Holger> Isn't Matrix dying BTW? 🙂
[20:26:43] <Holger> Delta is the new hotness. You gotta be writing mail servers in 2025.

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[20:30:36] <Doofus Canadensis> no no no, matrix just got super popular with the CSAM spammers. that's how you know it's made it

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[20:31:13] <Doofus Canadensis> I do need to stabilize my setup so I can start building up my IoT tools to connect to xmpp

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[21:52:27] <Licaon_Kter> Doofus Canadensis:
_"Every day you are still a Matrix user you keep your contacts prisoners too."_
You keep saying to them _"you should use dying Matrix I'm just quirky and odd"_
Like RMS says, every "NO" helps ;)
> _If you don't stand up for your principles, why should your friends?_
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/saying-no-even-once.html
Say no to VC funded, Angel Investor sold Matrix!!!

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[22:02:23] <nigel_> > yeah, I want matrix support to work so that I can migrate to XMPP while still keeping in touch with those not ready to move
Yeah this works enough for me to have a matrix address listed for contact though, even if not using matrix every day myself.

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[22:28:44] <Neustradamus> Can you add some RFCs here and links to RFC?
- https://www.process-one.net/ejabberd-features/
RFC7677: SCRAM-SHA-256 and SCRAM-SHA-256-PLUS: Simple Authentication and Security Layer (SASL) Mechanisms
- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7677
Internet-Draft: draft-melnikov-scram-sha-512: SCRAM-SHA-512 and SCRAM-SHA-512-PLUS Simple Authentication and Security Layer (SASL) Mechanisms
- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-melnikov-scram-sha-512
RFC5929: Channel Bindings for TLS
- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5929
RFC9266: Channel Bindings for TLS 1.3
- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9266
It is not good for "Salted Challenge Response (SCRAM) SASL and GSS-API Mechanism", it must be "Salted Challenge Response Authentication Mechanism (SCRAM) SASL and GSS-API Mechanisms"
- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5802
TLS RFCs can be added too I think?
- RFC8446 : The Transport Layer Security (TLS) Protocol Version 1.3: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8446
- RFC5246: The Transport Layer Security (TLS) Protocol Version 1.2: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5246
- RFC4346: The Transport Layer Security (TLS) Protocol Version 1.1: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4346
- RFC2246: The TLS Protocol Version 1.0: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2246

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[22:35:13] <Holger> Neustradamus, SCRAM & channel binding may fit but I'd see no point in listing TLS RFCs.
[22:36:48] <Holger> I mean if it was just about producing an endless list, the TCP, IPv4/IPv6 RFCs and whatnot could be added as well. But that's not helpful for someone trying to understand what this XMPP server supports vs. other implementations.

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[22:38:59] <Holger> TURN is now supported by eCS as well.
[22:39:17] <Holger> XEP-0172 isn't? 😀
[22:39:33] <Holger> (I guess some server-side magic in the BE?)

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[22:59:06] <Holger> Anyway I do think Neustradamus is right that this web page is outdated (in more ways than mentioned), and I think it's always been that way since I've seen it for the first time. Maybe either ditch it, since manual maintenance just doesn't work, or somehow auto-generate it from our source code headers? (And also the .doap file while at it?)

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