ejabberd - Saturday, June 14, 2025

[02:05:35] <opinionplatform.org 6> > Isn't Matrix dying BTW? 🙂
Asked a couple places but no answers. Maybe here:
> The tails-dev xmpp channel moved to matrix. Has anyone seen explanation of why? Asked there, but no answer.

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[02:32:11] <zoidberg> What an outrage.

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[04:42:26] <Molnija Bjornsson> Matrix is sadly far from dying

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[04:43:36] <Molnija Bjornsson> also Gajim doesn't show messages from users with funky nicknames

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[05:02:01] <banana> does xmpp (not just ejabberd) support utf8 characters in username?

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[05:02:35] <banana> mostly things with an umlaut
[05:02:48] <opinionplatform.org 6> Define funky nickname, Molnija Bjornsson ?
[05:03:03] <banana> äÄ
[05:03:09] <banana> like that
[05:03:23] <Molnija Bjornsson> i THINK utf itself is fine, but some characters are busted

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[05:04:19] <banana> > i THINK utf itself is fine, but some characters are busted
yes... i think you know where im going with this... my next questions will be "some characters are busted... got an example?"

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[05:05:37] <banana> im working some interoperability stuff between xmpp and acitivtypib
[05:06:00] <banana> for reference, im working some interoperability stuff between xmpp and acitivtypib

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[05:06:29] <opinionplatform.org 6> Oh, banana question arrived (to me) after your statement, so thought your statement was directed to me. :D

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[05:07:32] <banana> > Oh, banana question arrived (to me) after your statement, so thought your statement was directed to me. :D
😀 how on earth...
[05:07:49] <banana> sry man... 🙂

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[05:09:48] <banana> does anyone know answer to my question regarding to whether most xmpp systems support UTF8 username?
[05:10:29] <Molnija Bjornsson> > yes... i think you know where im going with this... my next questions will be "some characters are busted... got an example?"
I don't, because they're busted. That means people's messages *just* *are* *not* *there*.
[05:10:54] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > I don't, because they're busted. That means people's messages *just* *are* *not* *there*.
try opening the dev console

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[05:11:15] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> https://downloadable.pain.agency/file_share/0684d047-1fb4-7264-96bb-3556bf070208/ba5db2c0-e183-4965-a593-2a5eaa24dc53.png
[05:12:02] <banana> > > Isn't Matrix dying BTW? 🙂
>
> Asked a couple places but no answers. Maybe here:
>
> > The tails-dev xmpp channel moved to matrix. Has anyone seen explanation of why? Asked there, but no answer.
not dying, but development effort are definetely more diverse outside of the main synapse repo. for example, some devs moved to conduit, some moved to dendril, etc. community is alive and well though

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[05:12:33] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > not dying, but development effort are definetely more diverse outside of the main synapse repo. for example, some devs moved to conduit, some moved to dendril, etc. community is alive and well though
matrix veteran here, dendrite is very abandoned

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[05:12:55] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> also conduit is abandoned, was forked into conduit which was abandoned and then forked again
[05:13:04] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> its a disaster of a protocol and dev community
[05:13:17] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> but its the most popular which ig is what matters

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[05:17:19] <banana> fair enough. i only remember when i checked last month, they moved their repos to element org. in terms of conduit, im still getting fairly frequent updates. but idk the details about what's going on inside of the orgs

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[05:20:08] <banana> > I don't, because they're busted. That means people's messages *just* *are* *not* *there*.
sry, i asked you question by mistake... pls ignore me

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[05:26:22] <nigel_> > also conduit is abandoned, was forked into conduit which was abandoned and then forked again
https://girlboss.ceo/~~strawberry/conduwuit.txt - which is a shame as it was the best fork and was actually maintained. Mate who runs matrix ended up going to back to synapse, which he hates but is maintained by the matrix devs so in theory he won't have any more hassles. He's very annoyed by it though, he liked conuwuit.

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[05:27:35] <nigel_> I'm happy enough using the gateway if anyone on matrix wants to get hold of me, I don't plan on using it to join matrix rooms though.
[05:28:19] <nigel_> > also conduit is abandoned, was forked into conduit which was abandoned and then forked again
https://girlboss.ceo/~~strawberry/conduwuit.txt - which is a shame as it was the best fork and was actually maintained. Mate who runs matrix ended up going to back to synapse, which he hates but is maintained by the matrix devs so in theory he won't have any more hassles. He's very annoyed by it though, he liked conduwuit.

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[05:28:37] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > https://girlboss.ceo/~~strawberry/conduwuit.txt - which is a shame as it was the best fork and was actually maintained. Mate who runs matrix ended up going to back to synapse, which he hates but is maintained by the matrix devs so in theory he won't have any more hassles. He's very annoyed by it though, he liked conuwuit.
theres tuwunel and continuwuity and then june is apart of tuwunel because idk the other people who are doing continuwuity are just doing "a vanity fork" (which is what continuwuity started as anyways??)
[05:28:45] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> idk its a whole mess and i wouldnt trust anything from them atp

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[05:29:06] <nigel_> Yeah, people need reliability of their platform.

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[05:29:24] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> xmpp clients kinda suck absolute ass but prosody and ejabberd are pretty good
[05:29:38] <nigel_> I'm not minding monocles

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[05:29:51] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> i only have iphone and pc 💔
[05:30:04] <nigel_> Yeah my iPhone friends struggle

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[05:30:27] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> also i have lots of issues with group chats with friends using monocles (if anyone's omemo session becomes unresolvable they cant use encryption)

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[05:31:03] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> also theres still that bug where all media is just sent as a link without embedding
[05:31:16] <nigel_> Gajim on desktop screws up some of my rooms so they stop syncing, so am using Dino now even though it gobbles up ram (using Linux)

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[05:31:46] <nigel_> Oh haven't had that bug... err, at least on my end.

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[05:32:08] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> i'm on an old version of gajim that seems to be holding on at least, ive made some headway on getting my own client project started in go

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[05:32:36] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> though the existing library (mellium) is quite primative and im having to do a lot of work to make it into an actual client library
[05:32:46] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > Oh haven't had that bug... err, at least on my end.
seems pretty widespread 🤔

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[05:57:24] <zoidberg> > xmpp clients kinda suck
??? Lots of great clients
[05:57:35] <zoidberg> What kinda suck is apple

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[05:58:21] <zoidberg> Why would a smart folk like you choose to buy apple?

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[06:06:38] <Molnija Bjornsson> millions of reasons -_-

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[06:07:56] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > > xmpp clients kinda suck
> ??? Lots of great clients
gajim sucks complete ass, dino has a memory leak and is missing essential featrues, movim isnt great for messaging, etc
[06:08:10] <zoidberg> Gajim sucks?
[06:08:13] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > Why would a smart folk like you choose to buy apple?
because it fits my use case well?
[06:08:18] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> > Gajim sucks?
very much so
[06:08:37] <zoidberg> i use gajim and Dino both work great here.
[06:08:50] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> good for you then

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[06:17:54] <opinionplatform.org 6> > Why would a smart folk like you choose to buy apple?
Because Tad the former android-divestos dev and grapheneos fan did, and reviewed it favorable+/-?
https://archive.ph/YQwFL

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[06:21:29] <zoidberg> You guys are really making great points so far.
[06:22:01] <zoidberg> Millions of reason, fits the use case, and somebody on the internet said its good.

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[06:24:42] <zoidberg> Anyways i see that is no point going further with the dilemma. We have just to agree to disagree.

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[06:25:54] <opinionplatform.org 6> Why would anyone _not_ buy excellent apple products, zoidberg ?

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[06:30:41] <zoidberg> I already went OT for too long here. Regretted. No reason great product keep buying it!👍.

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[06:35:17] <opinionplatform.org 6> Zero reasons from somebody on xmpp. 🤣

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[06:36:18] <Kris> Ugh, I would rather have none than Apple crap.
[06:36:50] <Molnija Bjornsson> me too tbh
[06:37:03] <Molnija Bjornsson> but there are reasons somebody would have no right not to use an apple device in their circumstance

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[08:51:12] <Holger> opinionplatform.org 6, I like Apple in several ways but my #1 reason to not buy their shit is them actively closing their ecosystem. If I pay tons of money for a device I want to be able run whatever software I'd like on it, and I want to be able to integrate it with the other stuff I have. I get that isn't in Apple's interest, but it is in mine.

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[08:54:58] <Holger> But yes that's unrelated to XMPP. You could build an awesome client on iOS if you had the resources. Monal is getting quite good despite being a one-and-a-half-man-show.

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[08:55:36] <Holger> (One-and-a-half-man-spare-time-show.)

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[09:15:30] <nigel_> Is there a reason why I fail _XEP-0313: Message Archive Management (extended usage)_ on https://compliance.conversations.im ?
I did note that 404.city and trashserver.net have the same, so am asuming it's an ejabberd thing, or a specific test thing.

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[09:24:43] <nigel_> as far as I can tell, it all appears to be working.

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[09:25:02] <Kris> > opinionplatform.org 6, I like Apple in several ways but my #1 reason to not buy their shit is them actively closing their ecosystem. If I pay tons of money for a device I want to be able run whatever software I'd like on it, and I want to be able to integrate it with the other stuff I have. I get that isn't in Apple's interest, but it is in mine.
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[09:42:39] <Holger> nigel_: ejabberd supports only one of the extended mechanisms.

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[09:42:46] <Holger> (Or two by now?)
[09:43:10] <nigel_> ah ok, so it works, but not necesarily for the specific test.

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[09:55:03] <Holger> As not all mechanisms are supported, the feature isn't announced. I guess the compliance test just checks whether it's announced.

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[10:15:54] <nigel_> oh I see. All good, just wanted to check. Thank you.

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