ejabberd - Saturday, August 9, 2025

[09:55:51] <Eclipse> rom1dep: To be dreadfully honest, if one cannot account for another's forgetfullness and employ safeguards, one is a crappy friend to this friend being.
[09:55:51] <Eclipse> thanks
[09:55:54] <Eclipse> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[10:02:42] <jokne> *Also whoever decided to abuse the report button, are you genuinely 100% dumb?*
Do something better, you cannot truly kill or intimodate us in the physical realm, and in virtual by comparison we seen the true power of several nuclear bombs (a Magnitude 9 earthquake), thus you feel pathetic. We solely use Jabber.fr only because it's stupidlt eager to nuke the account on literally any such misdeed of yours (e.g. a troll may do a fake report towards anybody and the server just obeys), it's useful as an indicator of space quality/sanity. Good spaces never ever do that shit.
[10:02:45] <jokne> LoL

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[10:15:52] <rom1dep> > rom1dep: To be dreadfully honest, if one cannot account for another's forgetfullness and employ safeguards, one is a crappy friend to this friend being.
not sure I get you. Why do you consider a "safe and friendly password reset mechanism" a "safeguard"? What's bad about it?
People forget their passwords, that's very much a thing. What's "crappy" IMHO is pretending that it doesn't exist and/or not aspire to do something about it.

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[10:17:35] <zoidberg> Honestly, i dont know my password for anything.
[10:17:53] <zoidberg> only ssh keys.

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[10:26:49] <nigel_> Password managers have been a thing for a long time now. People have become used to not taking responsibility for themselves and their (in)actions.
I like trashserver.net's password policy.

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[10:39:20] <Licaon_Kter> That works for a huge public server.
When you host for frens and fam', you can be a human and reset it...

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[10:45:41] <marko.cupac> I solved my password reset needs for ejabberd with ldap (samba) and https://ltb-project.org/documentation/self-service-password.html

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[10:51:40] <nigel_> Licaon_Kter: I mean yeah - I just ssh in and reset it if needed. And then beat my friend over the head with password manager links.

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[10:53:59] <Holger> Keep beating my wife with that, doesn't work.

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[10:54:57] <Holger> Using password reset mails every day is just so much easier than taking a few minutes to set up Bitwarden.

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[10:55:20] <nigel_> Yeah I've heard of people doing this on purpose hah

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[10:56:22] <nigel_> marko.cupac: that looks interesting, might be useful for me also 🤔

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[10:59:55] <rom1dep> There's a time and space to introduce someone to passwords managers, which may or may not align with introducing someone to XMPP

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[11:01:17] <rom1dep> (and as surprising as it may sound to the public of tech literate hanging out here, some people do have a tough time understanding passwords managers)

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[11:03:43] <marko.cupac> Password managers are useful, but account management policy of any service shouldn't be "we are sorry you lost your password but you should've written it down, there's nothing we can do".

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[11:08:25] <nigel_> Yes, true enough.

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[16:27:04] <savagepeanut> > Yeah I've heard of people doing this on purpose hah
Slack even ditches the password and only emails you a one time code

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[16:45:27] <Holger> That thing seems to become more common. Hate it.

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[17:24:10] <savagepeanut> Yeah, I get why they do it; it's not like it's less secure if you use email for reset links anyway. But it is annoying.

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[17:58:46] <rom1dep> It's very much less secure, though

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[18:18:24] <savagepeanut> Except, as I mentioned if you are already allowing password resets via email it's not
[18:19:07] <savagepeanut> And if you factor in that a significant amount of people do not and will not use a password manager, it looks alright even against password with no reset possible

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