ejabberd - Monday, August 11, 2025

[10:55:04] <erebion> > Gonna check out tuwunel, thx!
Officially no migration path yet, but if you've got a single user instance it's quite easy. Send me a DM if you'd like to chat about my process.

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[17:26:04] <erebion> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/31cb4b06e4d88287c2390311dec1d854bc1d52b3
What is a "Hydra room"?

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[17:37:58] <Adrien> Probably Room Version 12 codename, which should be the next sec release

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[17:38:01] <vlad> > I've recently migrated from Synapse to Tuwunel, as Synapse has really bad performance. Saves a lot of resources. Will switch Matrix to ejabberd once that's ready for my use-case.
conduwuit is literal malware btw, it breaks the matrix spec and messes up everyone elses federation
[17:38:13] <vlad> i'm pretty sure tuwunel does the same and didn't fix anything
[17:38:53] <vlad> conduwuit spams the exact same federation request 200 times per second on my server, which makes my cpu spike to 100% (postgresql and synapse)
[17:39:22] <vlad> plus there are over 800 known conduwuit server IPs that try to federate me, whoever hosts these always gets new IPs to evade my IP blocks

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[17:39:51] <vlad> there are barely 10 REAL servers i actually federate with in all rooms combined, nobody can convince me that 800+ conduwuit servers spamming me and switching IPs is "normal".

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[17:40:23] <vlad> i would recommend you not to deal with conduwuit (or tuwunel) because you will end up on a lot of block lists
[17:40:47] <vlad> i know synapse performance is garbage, but conduwuit is the thing that makes the performance bad
[17:40:57] <vlad> (or at least one of the things)

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[17:41:53] <vlad> this is really just the fault of matrix's federation api being an insecure mess, very easy to exploit

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[17:43:55] <vlad> the entire mass upgrade thing thats going on right now is literally caused by a 7 year old bug that got ignored all this time, despite multiple people (including midek from midov.pl) reporting it to matrix.org. some guy named mana just broke everyones federation with 1 request by setting the room state depth to ~~9 billion (too high for synapse/sql to comprehend), thus just silently preventing any messages from federating over to other servers.
matrix.org only fixed this when mana used it against them, and that took 5 minutes. why ignore something that can be fixed in 5 minutes for 7 YEARS?

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[17:45:07] <vlad> i'm pretty sure that there are a lot of other similar vulnerabilities in the federation endpoint, because they think "nobody is going to write a dummy server, get a throwaway subdomain, forward ports, set up all this stuff etc.. just to mess around and break other peoples servers".. but they are!

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[18:02:16] <erebion> rant too long, didn't read

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[19:46:34] <Licaon_Kter> Does Alexey like to work on Matrix or work is just work?

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[23:56:29] <opinionplatform.org 6> > why ignore something that can be fixed in 5 minutes for 7 YEARS?
Classic "problem ignored is problem solved" (for 7 years).

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