ejabberd - Sunday, August 17, 2025

[08:04:27] <marko.cupac> I noticed most people in a MUC on my server don't see each other's avatars. I as an admin see them. I see all avatars here and in most MUCs. Do i need to set something? Is it ejabberd setting or room setting or client setting?

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[08:14:59] <Kris> > I noticed most people in a MUC on my server don't see each other's avatars. I as an admin see them. I see all avatars here and in most MUCs. Do i need to set something? Is it ejabberd setting or room setting or client setting?
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[08:57:14] <zoidberg> Conversations side, there is that feature to only allow contacts to see each others avatar. maybe most of your users are using that feature?

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[09:01:51] <Licaon_Kter> I have a vague feeling that this was turned on by the updates. Eg. I did not set it "contacts only" since I haven't touch avatar in 10 years, yet....peeps asked me why they can't see my avatar
[09:02:05] <Licaon_Kter> If you see it now it's because I've re-set it last week

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[09:03:20] <zoidberg> True, I was not seeing ur avatar some time ago.
[09:03:44] <zoidberg> I did reup mine a week ago, so I think u are seeing mine?
[09:03:49] <marko.cupac> zoidberg: some of people in the room are my contacts by means of shared ldap roster, they see my avatar in 1:1 and strangely in one MUC but not in another. Strange.

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[09:04:35] <zoidberg> Maybe cached avatar stayed?
[09:05:12] <marko.cupac> Possible difference is they actively chat in room where avatars are seen, lurk in one that aren't. Maybe need to post a line or something to get avatars, dunno.
[09:05:25] <zoidberg> I can't see ur avatar.

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[09:06:10] <zoidberg> But again, idk ur settings, and I am not your contact.

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[09:15:08] <marko.cupac> I see yours. Lemme check my conversations settings.

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[09:16:05] <marko.cupac> Where do I set it?

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[09:20:27] <zoidberg> Go to reupload an avatar, there will be an option there
[09:20:56] <Licaon_Kter> marko.cupac: You need to SET it now, to be able to use the toggle

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[09:23:40] <marko.cupac> Thx! Had the toggle but inactive to show to contacts only. Got the option to toggle it off on reupload, thanks!
[09:23:47] <marko.cupac> See my avatar now?

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[09:26:37] <zoidberg> Did you reupload it or just toggle the option?

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[09:27:08] <zoidberg> In order for that to take effect, as Licaon_Kter already said you need to re-up the avatar again.

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[09:30:17] <Licaon_Kter> marko.cupac: Not....yet
[09:31:22] <marko.cupac> Reuploaded and toggled

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[09:31:58] <marko.cupac> I dint have the ability to toggle before reupload. But I reuploaded same avatar.

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[09:34:38] <zoidberg> Didn't work then, you really really sure that you uploaded the image to the server again?

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[09:35:33] <marko.cupac> Lemme temporarily put another to be sure

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[09:36:30] <marko.cupac> Avatar has been published

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[09:37:14] <zoidberg> Weird then, I did reconnect and still can't see ur avatar
[09:37:17] <marko.cupac> Toggled offline/online as well.

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[09:37:37] <marko.cupac> Fdroid latest conversations on grapheneos.
[09:37:44] <zoidberg> Anything on the logs?
[09:37:50] <marko.cupac> Lemme check
[09:37:52] <zoidberg> Ejabberd side probably better
[09:38:00] <zoidberg> Maybe need debug

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[09:38:50] <marko.cupac> Need a few mins to get to my computer.

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[10:22:43] <Licaon_Kter> Not see it either

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[11:33:58] <marko.cupac> I don't see anything related in ejabberd logs from today that could be related to avatar. Could it be related to mod_vcard using ldap where I didn't declare avatar there? But then how come my avatar is seen in some mucs, not the others 🤔

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[11:34:54] <marko.cupac> Not that I care too much but am curious of the reason.

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[11:35:17] <zoidberg> You have sure that some of the people who can see your avatar are not your contacts?

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[11:37:52] <marko.cupac> So far I am sure a user who is local to my server sees my avatar in one muc but not the other.

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[11:38:30] <marko.cupac> Wait, I noticed the difference
[11:39:02] <marko.cupac> In muc with avatars users are member (participant), in muc without they're just participant.
[11:39:09] <marko.cupac> What's the difference?

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[11:46:58] <Holger> The first is probably a private group where everyone sees everyone's JIDs. And then queries their avatars directly.

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[11:48:32] <Holger> The second is probably a public channel where only admins would see the JIDs. The others use a different mechanism to query the avatars (vCard), since vCards are proxied by the MUC.

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[11:50:06] <Holger> So there's probably something wrong with the vCard avatar. Either the server doesn't publish it as expected (mod_avatar and mod_vcard must be enabled). Or the client doesn't query the vCard avatar.

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[11:51:05] <Holger> I think Conversations recently removed support for vCard avatars for 1:1 chat. As far as I'm aware that wasn't supposed to affect the vCard mechanism for public channels, but who knows …

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[11:59:27] <marko.cupac> Thanks for the explanation. Indeed "with avatar" is internal group of members all on same server, "without avatar" is public group consisting of users from different servers where only admin can see exact addresses. Sounds reasonable - I'd rather not display avatars if it requires for every room member who can be anyone to know all members' xmpp addresses, for my guests' privacy sake.

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[12:05:42] <Holger> Just in case I wasn't clear, it *should* work for public/anonymous channels as well. Just via a different mechanism. The fact that it doesn't points to the mechanism (vCard) failing in some way.

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[12:11:27] <marko.cupac> Understood, thanks.

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[13:36:01] <raver> Is there an ejabberdctl way to remove everything from a user's roster and start with a blank one?

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[13:37:29] <raver> Nvm found it: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2368

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[13:39:21] <raver> Oh no how do I do it for PostgreSQL Backend?

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[14:13:34] <Slava Bendersky> Question is possible to record muc group call ?

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[14:13:50] <Slava Bendersky> video and audio

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[14:17:41] <zoidberg> record? yes, multiple applications do record your screen.

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[14:45:17] <infd> Hi! I'm trying to set up ejabberd for audio and video calls. Sip was configured as mentioned in the official documentation here https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/listen/?h=sip#ejabberd_sip
My dns provider doesn't allow to configure NAPTR records so i didn't do this step (mentioned as optional). Everything else is done, and STUN/TURN server is configured too. I use it with android application "conversations". It allows me to make audio/video calls when both peers reside in one LAN. In case one of them is in another network, the connection hangs. The default "info" debug level didn't help me so i changed it to "debug" and it's too overwhelming so i don't see there anything useful too. Any tips?

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[15:13:20] <zoidberg> Are you using the built in turn of ejabberd?

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[15:20:30] <zoidberg> Maybe start by showing your config of the mod_stun_disco and listener for the turn, also did you port forward the range?

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[15:22:15] <zoidberg> Did you set a 'turn_ipv4_address'? Is it your *external*IP?

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[15:56:08] <infd> Yes, i use the built-in turn server. I did not know about the mod_stun_disco mod, it wasn't in the default config file. I'm reading the documentation and configuring it right now. It needs some SRV dns records so i might be able to check correctness of my configuration not faster than in 24 hours. Thank you!

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[16:01:01] <zoidberg> Forget SRV recorda
[16:01:05] <zoidberg> Forget SRV records
[16:01:05] <zoidberg> Not necessary at all.

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[16:05:04] <zoidberg> That knowledge is good to have, and should be documented, however SRV records for turn, are absolutely not necessary.

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[17:27:23] <infd> If SRVs are not necessary then it isn't working for some other reason. I'll double check everything tomorrow

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[18:21:04] <Holger> infd: Are you using an upstream package? Because mod_stun_disco should indeed be in the default config there.

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[18:22:36] <Holger> infd: If your network environment isn't unusual in some way, using the default config and just setting the `turn_ipv4_address` as zoidberg suggested should do the trick. But note that a large range of UDP ports need to be accessible on that address.

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[18:23:12] <Holger> So if you have some kind of firewall, you'll have to configure that.

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[19:12:59] <infd> I'm using the ecs image for docker. I downloaded default config here https://github.com/processone/docker-ejabberd/blob/master/ecs/conf/ejabberd.yml
I'll double check everything tomorrow. The documentaions says there should be configured not just TURN SRVs but also SRVs for sip and STUN. Are they also optional and just correct server configuration will do the trick without any SRVs?

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[20:26:48] <Licaon_Kter> infd: Where does it say SRVs for TURN? It does not, just "for SIP"

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[21:24:37] <Holger> infd: huh, indeed, wasn't aware there's a separate config file for Docker. Sigh.
[21:25:13] <Holger> infd: Modern XMPP clients don't use SRV records to look up STUN/TURN services (and don't use SIP).

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[21:25:56] <Holger> Stone-age clients did use SRV clients, if we still have that in the docs somewhere it should be ditched.
[21:26:18] <Holger> Stone-age clients did use SRV records, if we still have that in the docs somewhere it should be ditched.

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