ejabberd - Wednesday, August 20, 2025

[07:15:54] <Holger> Doofus Canadensis: More or less, yes. The DEB just packs up the tarball + does things such as creating the ejabberd user or installing the systemd unit.

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[12:49:00] <vlad> `25-08-20 14:38:01.202 [warning] (tls|<0.12945.0>) Failed outbound s2s dialback authentication conference.foo.bar -> conversations.im (2a00:1828:2000:215::50): Authentication failed: Peer responded with error: unrecognized error`
group chat federation for groups i create seems to be broken, inviting people from other servers doesn't seem to work
did i misconfigure my server?
i don't have a conference.* subdomain or any other subdomains, my xmpp server is already running on a subdomain along with all my other stuff. do i actually NEED multiple subdomains? it seems to work just fine for everything else including http upload and 1:1 chats.

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[12:49:54] <vlad> if this issue is just caused by ipv6 i'm going to laugh

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[12:52:34] <Licaon_Kter> vlad: You've set stuff like
```
        max_days: 60
      mod_muc:
        host: "conference.@HOST@"
        access:
          - allow
        access_admin:
          - allow: admin
        access_create: muc_create
        access_persistent: muc_create
        default_room_options:
          mam: true
        history_size: 1000
      mod_muc_admin: {}
```
?

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[12:53:35] <Licaon_Kter> vlad: You've set stuff like
```
      mod_muc:
        host: "conference.@HOST@"
        access:
          - allow
        access_admin:
          - allow: admin
        access_create: muc_create
        access_persistent: muc_create
        default_room_options:
          mam: true
        history_size: 1000
      mod_muc_admin: {}
```
?
[12:53:42] <vlad> ```
  mod_muc:
    access:
      - allow
    access_admin:
      - allow: admin
    access_create: muc_create
    access_persistent: muc_create
    access_mam:
      - allow
    default_room_options:
      mam: true
      public: false
      public_list: false
```

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[12:54:20] <Licaon_Kter> Did you set `s2s` stuff too, like
```
listen:
  -
    port: 5269
    module: ejabberd_s2s_in
    max_stanza_size: 524288
```

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[12:55:20] <Licaon_Kter> > i don't have a conference.* subdomain or any other subdomains, my xmpp server is already running on a subdomain along with all my other stuff. do i actually NEED multiple subdomains?
Yes, MUCs need one, you get the default as you see in the log
Read https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod_muc
[12:55:51] <vlad> ```
    port: 5269
    ip: "::"
    module: ejabberd_s2s_in
    max_stanza_size: 524288
    shaper: s2s_shaper
...
s2s_use_starttls: optional
shaper_rules:
    ...
    s2s_shaper: fast
...
  mod_s2s_bidi: {}
  mod_s2s_dialback: {}
```

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[12:56:32] <vlad> >
> > i don't have a conference.* subdomain or any other subdomains, my xmpp server is already running on a subdomain along with all my other stuff. do i actually NEED multiple subdomains?
> Yes, MUCs need one, you get the default as you see in the log
>
> Read https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod_muc
i was confused why everything else just worked fine too, despite docs telling me that i need a bunch of subdomains
[12:56:52] <vlad> wait can i pick any subdomain, including 4lds?
[12:57:13] <vlad> i.e. something.foo.bar.com with everything else being on foo.bar.com
[12:57:23] <Licaon_Kter> Yes, and that needs to be accesible from outside, so setup a DNS record too
[12:57:26] <vlad> nice
[12:57:31] <vlad> > Yes, and that needs to be accesible from outside, so setup a DNS record too
A record is fine?
[12:57:38] <Licaon_Kter> Afaik

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[12:59:30] <vlad> thanks!

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[13:20:54] <vlad> i can just list my subdomain certs after my main certs in certfiles:, right?

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[13:21:46] <Licaon_Kter> Dunno how you're setup, use a SAN I guess

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[13:39:27] <vlad> > Dunno how you're setup, use a SAN I guess
separate cert for conference.something.foo.bar, main cert for something.foo.bar

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[13:40:52] <vlad> do i have to specify hosts?

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[14:04:11] <Licaon_Kter> You can have one cert with all, or separate. Imho one is better
[14:04:17] <Licaon_Kter> > do i have to specify hosts?
Where?

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[14:40:38] <vlad> > > do i have to specify hosts?
> Where?
for mod_muc
[14:40:43] <vlad> > You can have one cert with all, or separate. Imho one is better
oh i can?
[14:41:13] <vlad> i don't own the 2ld, so i'm not sure how

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[14:51:17] <zoidberg> vlad

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[14:51:27] <zoidberg> vlad:
[14:51:40] <zoidberg> How do you get your certs?

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[14:52:48] <vlad> > How do you get your certs?
adding a new nginx server block, listening on port 80, certbot -d foo.something.foo.bar, certbot --nginx to renew

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[14:54:13] <zoidberg> You can do it like this certbot -d example.com -d conference.example.com -d httpupload.example.com ...
[14:54:33] <vlad> then doing chmod 640 on /etc/letsencrypt/archive/*/*, and chown root:ssl-certs on the files + the dirs, repeating the same for any symlinks i might have in /etc/letsencrypt/live
[14:54:34] <zoidberg> Just add -d domain -d otherdomain...
[14:54:51] <vlad> > You can do it like this certbot -d example.com -d conference.example.com -d httpupload.example.com ...
but i already have my main cert, where's the difference?

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[14:54:57] <zoidberg> So the same cert will include all of the domains

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[14:55:42] <vlad> ohh
[14:55:57] <vlad> so i can just delete my new cert and redo it then, thanks!
[14:55:59] <zoidberg> the difference will be that, client from other server tries to connect to a room in your server(conference.example.com) and see your cert

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[14:56:10] <vlad> will `certbot -q renew` pick it up in my cronjob?
[14:56:36] <zoidberg> i am not sure, best to grab a new one
[14:56:53] <vlad> > the difference will be that, client from other server tries to connect to a room in your server(conference.example.com) and see your cert
i assumed that ejabberd might try to use the main cert first which could cause trouble
[14:57:00] <zoidberg> No
[14:57:02] <vlad> > i am not sure, best to grab a new one
i mean later on

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[14:57:17] <zoidberg> The client will attempt to validade the cert

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[14:58:02] <zoidberg> Conference.domain.com is not = domain.com. client or s2s server will then refuse to connect(depending on the settings)

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[14:58:38] <vlad> i know, thats why i made a separate cert for conference.domain.com and threw the fullchain.pem/privkey.pem files for that into certfiles: as well

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[14:59:05] <vlad> and got confused about having 1 cert for both

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[14:59:31] <zoidberg> Well, with the certs separated like that, am not sure how ejabberd will deal with it.
[14:59:58] <zoidberg> i only learned all in the the cert 😃

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[15:01:08] <zoidberg> >> i am not sure, best to grab a new one
> i mean later on
yes then renew grabs all the same domains.

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[15:01:26] <vlad> it seems to work fine, it didn't work for conversations.im on phones (using the conversations client too) according to others who tried to join a group invite from my server, but that could just be DNS lagging behind

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[15:01:33] <vlad> > >> i am not sure, best to grab a new one
> > i mean later on
> yes then renew grabs all the same domains.
good
[15:02:27] <vlad> also, do i actually NEED a httpupload subdomain?
[15:02:44] <vlad> file upload works for me without it, although its kinda slow (probably just my hard drives)
[15:03:25] <zoidberg> If it works then no problem
[15:05:19] <zoidberg> about the speed, many possible reasons, old HDD, latency, bad network...

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[15:05:24] <vlad> > If it works then no problem
neat
[15:05:53] <vlad> > about the speed, many possible reasons, old HDD, latency, bad network...
for me its all of the above, i'm just glad that the lack of a subdomain is unrelated

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[15:07:29] <vlad> aes512 encrypted raid5 array in a 13 year old amd bulldozer server, with bad bandwidth and latency
the worst possible combination, but it still somehow works and is more than usable
[15:08:02] <Licaon_Kter> One can cram 100 live users on a 256Mb Raspberry Pi 1, not sure what you mean...
[15:08:13] <vlad> thats impressive

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[15:09:10] <vlad> matrix synapse will die if you give it less than 8G of memory + a fast cpu while trying to join a room with 1000 people

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[15:11:42] <rom1dep> Good thing for XMPP there's no room that big 😜

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[15:15:20] <zoidberg> _i think_ that XMPP biggest room might be the conversations room? I mean sometimes 600+ there.

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[15:18:04] <zoidberg> There might be bigger on the private sector? Not sure.

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[15:59:44] <joeDoe> what do you mean by "the private sector" zoidberg ?

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[16:00:06] <zoidberg> Private servers from big companies
[16:00:36] <joeDoe> ah, internal usage therefore....
[16:00:41] <zoidberg> Yes
[16:01:12] <Mickaël> I have seen chat rooms running XMPP with 10k users

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[16:01:36] <zoidberg> Really? Whats the topic?

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[16:02:12] <Mickaël> Oh it was for a private service, the main lobby
[16:03:08] <Mickaël> It was a betting platform

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[16:05:10] <rom1dep> Yeah, I doubt your topical client handles that seamlessly

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[16:33:17] <vlad> MUC works fine now, thanks for your help :)

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[16:34:50] <vlad> > Private servers from big companies
afaik a few video games use ejabberd, not sure how many people talk to each other at once there or how modified it is

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[18:41:04] <Doofus Canadensis> hmmm, I've only got one screen of history here

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[18:41:21] <Doofus Canadensis> no idea if my question last night was answered. booo

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[18:43:11] <Doofus Canadensis> is it possible to request more history from a muc?

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[18:46:31] <Licaon_Kter> Doofus Canadensis: Depends on your client, usually one scrolls up. Did you enable MAM (Archiving) to Always for your account?

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[18:47:15] <Doofus Canadensis> nope, still relearning all the concepts
[18:47:58] <Doofus Canadensis> I'm finding with profanity that after putting my laptop to sleep, it stays disconnected and I do a disconnect/connect cycle which resets all my conversations

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[18:48:35] <Doofus Canadensis> I'll dig into MAM and profanity then
[18:48:41] <Doofus Canadensis> and repeat my question
[18:48:51] <Doofus Canadensis> is it possible to convert a .deb installation to a .tar.gz installation just by extracting the tarball?

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[18:58:18] <Doofus Canadensis> well, this reconnect spit my last message back at me... guess I didn't have it turned on at all

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[19:08:57] <Licaon_Kter> > Doofus Canadensis: More or less, yes. The DEB just packs up the tarball + does things such as creating the ejabberd user or installing the systemd unit.

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[19:18:48] <Doofus Canadensis> okay... now I just gotta figure out backing up postgresql so I can have a safe backup before trying this

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[19:40:24] <Doofus Canadensis> ah, crud. I built my ejabber server on debian trixie and that seems to be incompatible with debian bookworm

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[19:45:24] <badlop> The beam files can run in the same and a few newer erlang versions, but not previous

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[19:48:12] <Doofus Canadensis> I'm getting this
[19:48:17] <Doofus Canadensis> `/opt/ejabberd/erts-15.2.7/bin/epmd: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.38' not found (required by /opt/ejabberd/e
[19:48:22] <Doofus Canadensis> rts-15.2.7/bin/epmd)

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[19:48:39] <Doofus Canadensis> which makes me think debian 13 is using a later glibc
[19:49:08] <Doofus Canadensis> I just upgraded my build machine but haven't checked with my VPS provider whether I can do the same there

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[20:24:35] <Licaon_Kter> Doofus Canadensis: Update to trixie already
[20:25:22] <emleymoor> Right, hopefully I'll have time to get somewhere with this now...

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[20:30:35] <Doofus Canadensis> I just asked my VPS provider and they said Trixie hasn't been released yet. So I expect their systems are not going to handle Trixie very well.
[20:30:47] <Doofus Canadensis> I am disappointed in them

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[20:36:09] <Licaon_Kter> Doofus Canadensis: Trixie has been released why would they lie? Lol
Also why you care about them? Just upgrade...

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[20:47:07] <Doofus Canadensis> because the initial install didn't work properly so I'd rather like my VPS to remain working

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[20:47:53] <emleymoor> Getting ejabberd crashing for this reason: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/a515f550/ - and when I change the hostname in ejabberdctl.cfg, I get this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/77000ff7/
[20:48:34] <Doofus Canadensis> I care about them because I have to lean on them to get me out of a bind if the upgrade goes poorly
[20:48:43] <Doofus Canadensis> and I want to make sure they can do that

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[20:49:13] <Doofus Canadensis> will it go poorly? probably not. but I'm trying to not take any chances here
[20:50:00] <emleymoor> May have found what I'm missing

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[20:52:56] <emleymoor> Right - now it's crashing because ejabberd user's password isn't right - I guess in the database. So now I need to reset that.

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[20:58:04] <EmleyMoor> Looks like it's up at last

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[22:32:33] <vahrein> Hi everyone, I created Nginx proxy.conf https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368
```
stream {
upstream httpserver {
server httpserver:8181;
}
... more
```
I have a couple of questions,
1. whether built-in Acme TLS certificates will be issued
2. If I have changed the port to 2095 in my coturn, I should somehow adjust this configuration for nginx
```
upstream turnserver {
server turnserver:3477;
```
3. Is anything other than this configuration for nginx worth doing to implement the ALPN TLS extension?

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[23:06:02] <Slava Bendersky> Is in xmpp available any XEP for text markdown ?

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[23:11:49] <moparisthebest> > Is in xmpp available any XEP for text markdown ?
no, but some markup is implemented in some clients *this* for bold etc

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