ejabberd - Saturday, August 23, 2025

[03:44:33] <nyx> https://pb.ip-logger.com/XM
[03:44:38] <nyx> Here's the current attempt
[03:46:37] <nyx> Also it's not possible to open any more ports because this ISP sucks

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[03:49:17] <zoidberg> If its not possible to open any more ports, then idk if you can work around with sshl or something, but either that or you have to work around some way.

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[03:50:41] <nyx> Well yeah the reverse proxy is because 80 and 443 are already open

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[04:29:49] <nyx> > https://pb.ip-logger.com/XM
anyways does anyone have any ideas

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[06:26:39] <ray_cist> Please help me set up ejabberd on a vps!
Let me say that I'm a complete noob when it comes to ejabberd, I just got to know about it last week. I've set up game servers, other vps and a Jellyfin media server remotely accessible from my home before but just can't seem to set up ejabberd. I've been trying to set up ejabberd on the cheapest vps from Digital Ocean for three full days now! I've done everything right but still can't seem to set a password for the admin user. I get an error that user already exists when I try to ejabberdctl register user password. Also when I use the change password cmd I get another error! If someone could be so kind as to help me sort out this problem, I'd be very grateful. Thanks!
I've set DNS records for my main domain correctly and even have certbot's cert on my vps.
I'm following DenshiVideo's tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0kRSj2rmU
He skipped a lot of things and on the quest of setting up a basic text chat server I'm stuck on presumably the last freaking step.

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[06:32:53] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> ray_cist, i've not used ejabberd in particular but have you tried the official docs? usually they have a tutorial that is far more up to date and accurate

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[06:33:29] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> i know for prosody they kinda dont like to support people following third party tutorials because it can often mislead

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[06:34:48] <ray_cist> > ray_cist, i've not used ejabberd in particular but have you tried the official docs? usually they have a tutorial that is far more up to date and accurate
I've scanned the entire docs and the forum but my problem is unique it seems. Not even the docs mention anything.

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[06:35:17] <jjj333_p (any pronouns)> no, im saying follow the docs install instructions, as doing so may avoid incurring the issue to begin with

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[06:37:55] <ray_cist> > no, im saying follow the docs install instructions, as doing so may avoid incurring the issue to begin with
I've tried before but they only give detailed instructions for the database and the .yml file (config file). I had to figure out a lot of things on my own even when I followed the docs like domains, sub domains, dns and srv records.
[06:38:11] <ray_cist> certbot
[06:38:17] <ray_cist> nginx
[06:39:19] <ray_cist> nginx serving multiple sites etc
[06:40:31] <arcanicanis> Which part are you considering 'the last step'? Logging into the account using an XMPP client? Logging into the webadmin with the account that was created? Creating the admin account?
[06:42:06] <arcanicanis> also you can just use `journalctl -fu ejabberd` to interactively watch the log instead of stopping ejabberd and using `ejabberdctl live` (which was emphasized in the video instead)
[06:42:15] <ray_cist> > Which part are you considering 'the last step'? Logging into the account using an XMPP client? Logging into the webadmin with the account that was created? Creating the admin account?
Creating the admin acccount. I've specified the admin account user in .yml file in the acl: admin: but cant set the password using
ejabberdctl register admin password
[06:42:36] <ray_cist> Hence, I can't log in using any client coz no password
[06:42:46] <arcanicanis> What error are you getting as a result of the command though?

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[06:49:16] <arcanicanis> Did you want to change the password? Because it sounds like you already have an account created, just fumbled on something with the password probably. Keep in mind, if there's any "$" characters in the password, it might have interpreted anything following as a variable name. You could change the password with: ejabberdctl change_password (username) (host) password

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[06:50:37] <arcanicanis> e.g. if you put a password like "example$abc_test", the shell substitution would see $abc_test as a shell variable name, which would probably substitute to nothing, and end up setting a password of "example" instead

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[06:50:56] <arcanicanis> That's the only gotcha I can think of that could have happened

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[06:52:10] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/gW6EXJF1mx2FlhQx/Screenshot_2025-08-23_12-21-37.png
[06:53:25] <Licaon_Kter> ray_cist: use change_password then
[06:53:49] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/1jXhelKhYX9bsWzA/Screenshot_2025-08-23_12-23-25.png
[06:54:19] <ray_cist> I really could cry 🥲
[06:55:08] <arcanicanis> Could check the last few log lines in ejabberd maybe: journalctl ejabberd -n 50 --no-pager
[06:55:20] <arcanicanis> Could check the last few log lines in ejabberd maybe: journalctl -u ejabberd -n 50 --no-pager

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[06:55:34] <ray_cist> ok 1 min

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[06:57:28] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/VYNS66pt5yLbyDFp/Screenshot_2025-08-23_12-26-40.png

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[06:57:42] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/xtWFvmZXczKKyMBA/Screenshot_2025-08-23_12-27-06.png

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[06:58:34] <Licaon_Kter> ray_cist: you have sql backend?
[06:58:44] <ray_cist> > ray_cist: you have sql backend?
Yes Postgresql

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[06:59:18] <Licaon_Kter> It's a new server right?
[06:59:33] <ray_cist> Just set up yesterday if that's what you mean
[07:00:40] <ray_cist> > ray_cist: you have sql backend?
Should I try with Mnesia first and then slowly use sql when i get comfortable?
[07:01:18] <Licaon_Kter> ray_cist: yes and no, better restart from zero, at pay attention at the sql steps

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[07:01:35] <Licaon_Kter> Use pg.new schema etc
[07:01:48] <ray_cist> I was thinking the same tbh
[07:02:23] <ray_cist> This freaking error I'm getting is so rare there's no information anywhere
[07:02:30] <arcanicanis> also I'd probably recommend installing ejabberd from the .deb package instead of using the distro repos (as shown in the video), meanwhile the .deb package is very self-contained and won't conflict with other system packages, the ProcessOne deb package ships all the necessary dependencies in it's own self-contained folder: https://www.process-one.net/download/ejabberd/
[07:03:12] <ray_cist> Not even ai can help me, ai been useless forever

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[07:03:33] <ray_cist> > also I'd probably recommend installing ejabberd from the .deb package instead of using the distro repos (as shown in the video), meanwhile the .deb package is very self-contained and won't conflict with other system packages, the ProcessOne deb package ships all the necessary dependencies in it's own self-contained folder: https://www.process-one.net/download/ejabberd/
ok i will do this for my next attempt

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[07:03:58] <arcanicanis> Well there's probably not a lot of online discussion for it to infer answers from, plus some changes in how things work over the years

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[07:06:15] <ray_cist> true.
[07:06:39] <ray_cist> Thank you guys for the suggestions I will try these out and let you all know.

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[07:11:54] <ray_cist> > ray_cist: yes and no, better restart from zero, at pay attention at the sql steps
Will certbot give a new certificate for my same domain again?
[07:12:27] <arcanicanis> You wouldn't need to run through certbot again since you already have the certs
[07:12:41] <arcanicanis> as long as you didn't nuke anything under /etc/letsencrypt

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[07:14:28] <ray_cist> so i make /etc/letsencrypt on my new vps and copy over the files?

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[07:15:55] <Licaon_Kter> arcanicanis: the guide is old, yes latest packages might be newer on website, but that's not the issue here :))
[07:16:04] <arcanicanis> You could; but you wouldn't need to go full scrotched-earth on destroying the VPS and doing a new one; the only state is in the respective ejabberd directory and PostgreSQL database
[07:16:43] <arcanicanis> I'm aware, just saying for avoiding complication in the future in case if trying to jump to a newer version than what the distro repos provide
[07:17:20] <ray_cist> > You could; but you wouldn't need to go full scrotched-earth on destroying the VPS and doing a new one; the only state is in the respective ejabberd directory and PostgreSQL database
ig imma destroy the vps and try with this guide: https://www.process-one.net/blog/how-to-move-the-office-to-real-time-im-on-ejabberd/
[07:17:28] <ray_cist> then copy over the certs
[07:17:37] <Licaon_Kter> 👍

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[07:20:48] <arcanicanis> Would be neat if ejabberd had an equivalent of prosody's "prosodyctl --root cert import /etc/letsencrypt/live", unless there's something new I hadn't heard of

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[07:28:12] <ray_cist> Is erlang still actively used in any industry like Java is? I can see that it's latest release was a month ago.
[07:28:35] <ray_cist> jezz erlang is nearly 40 years old

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[07:29:39] <arcanicanis> Yes, absolutely, sometimes as the "BEAM" stack, was originally devised for high-availability telephony switching in it's inception if I'm not misremembering; meanwhile it is powering the backend of a lot of mega platforms like Steam, Discord, and many many others
[07:29:51] <ray_cist> > Would be neat if ejabberd had an equivalent of prosody's "prosodyctl --root cert import /etc/letsencrypt/live", unless there's something new I hadn't heard of
I originally planned to go with prosody, but when I learnt that it is less cutomisable, I went with ejabberd
[07:30:30] <ray_cist> > Yes, absolutely, sometimes as the "BEAM" stack, was originally devised for high-availability telephony switching in it's inception if I'm not misremembering; meanwhile it is powering the backend of a lot of mega platforms like Steam, Discord, and many many others
Holy hell, so erlang is in steam and discord too. WOW

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[07:31:43] <arcanicanis> Well it's down to preference and use-case; prosody is Lua, ejabberd is Erlang (or can use Elixir too); just prosody is constrained by the limitations of Lua, as I believe it's single-threaded, which can be fine for small <50 user servers
[07:32:22] <arcanicanis> > Holy hell, so erlang is in steam and discord too. WOW
https://discord.com/blog/how-discord-scaled-elixir-to-5-000-000-concurrent-users
[07:32:33] <ray_cist> God forbid someone runs matrix
[07:32:58] <savagepeanut> Prosody can run fine for significantly more than 50 users ;)
[07:33:32] <ray_cist> metadata leakage I believe
[07:33:42] <arcanicanis> I just mean as a casual rule-of-thumb on cheap cheap hardware/VPSes; I'm aware people were doing servers into the thousands or more on prosody

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[07:34:39] <savagepeanut> 👍️

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[07:36:28] <savagepeanut> Reading the usernames, is ray_cist supposed to be an edgy joke? Seems kinda :/

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[07:38:31] <ray_cist> > Reading the usernames, is ray_cist supposed to be an edgy joke? Seems kinda :/
Yes, it's a joke. Not my real name

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[07:38:54] <savagepeanut> Not a very funny one
[07:39:23] <ray_cist> funny is subjective
[07:39:59] <ray_cist> + i have this username everywhere else so for consistency sake
[07:40:16] <savagepeanut> Not debating that with you, nor responding further

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[07:41:49] <savagepeanut> I question mods letting you stick around here without a change at least though

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[07:51:15] <rom1dep> FWIW, with the latest matrix_gw updates, I finally managed to connect to a matrix room and pass messages around. That's encouraging!
[07:51:50] <arcanicanis> I'm still fumbling with trying to directly message Matrix users, but not sure if it's just a client bug

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[07:57:32] <Kris> > FWIW, with the latest matrix_gw updates, I finally managed to connect to a matrix room and pass messages around. That's encouraging!
🎉
[07:58:18] <Kris> > I question mods letting you stick around here without a change at least though
👍

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[09:38:45] <Kris> The .rpm packages for 25.08 are not build yet?

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[10:01:11] <ray_cist> This group has more participants than Linux/Unix group, damn.

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[10:02:27] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/8ixUFzLEV2bydnHt/9b-DgOoNQ3StT-hvIBhK2g.jpg

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[10:15:09] <opinionplatform.org 6> "participants". More like JIDs or occupants.

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[11:37:45] <ray_cist> opinionplatform.org 6: sry, I'm not aware of the terminologies

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[14:02:49] <Kris> Looks like my previous message didn't get through? I was wondering when the 25.08 .rpm packages would be available...

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[14:06:42] <zoidberg> It did

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[14:06:50] <zoidberg> > The .rpm packages for 25.08 are not build yet?

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[14:30:09] <raver> it works👌 https://rimkus.it/.well-known/xmpp-provider-v2.json

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[14:31:04] <Kris> zoidberg: odd, couldn't see my own message with Gajim here.

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[18:24:23] <Neustradamus> erebion_muc: Have you seen this new Matrix related ticket?
- https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4442
The same author has not seen that the CLA is not signed, who can comment on this PR to inform?
- https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/4438

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[18:32:10] <moparisthebest> > Also it's not possible to open any more ports because this ISP sucks
nyx: ez, host everything over port 443 https://github.com/yrutschle/sslh
[18:32:34] <nyx> That is quite literally what is causing the issue

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[18:33:05] <nyx> The reverse proxy is not reverse proxying the upload

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[18:33:46] <moparisthebest> then you have it set up wrong
[18:34:26] <moparisthebest> you probably want to use SNI , you could maybe instead or also use ALPN

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[20:14:02] <Adrien> > The .rpm packages for 25.08 are not build yet?
Oh? It should be yes, we released them friday around 5pm. Are you still having issues? I can give it a closer look.

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[20:45:16] <Kris> hmm, it is odd. It seems like dnf can find the updated package, but it doesn't recognize it as an update to my current 25.07 install

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[20:47:55] <Kris> ok, after runnin "dnf clean all" it now picks it up. must have been an hickup on my side. sorry for bothering

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[21:32:32] <ray_cist> > ray_cist:
> Can you also peruse the guides too?
>
> https://www.process-one.net/blog/how-to-move-the-office-to-real-time-im-on-ejabberd/
>
> This maybe? https://www.process-one.net/blog/how-to-set-up-ejabberd-video-voice-calling/
>
> https://www.process-one.net/blog/how-to-configure-ejabberd-to-get-100-in-xmpp-compliance-test/
>
> https://www.process-one.net/blog/ejabberd-xmpp-server-useful-configuration-steps/
Hey, so I followed the 1st guide and now my domain isn't showing anything. https://kspdev.cloud and even http://kspdev.cloud:5443/admin isn't showing anything.
[21:34:45] <ray_cist> i'm pretty sure I've set the dns record right. I took the VPS's IP and set it as an A record for kspdev.cloud and a CNAME record is setup such as https://www.kspdev.cloud points to https://kspdev.cloud
[21:35:47] <Licaon_Kter> Are you sure 5443 is for admin stuff? You configured that? Usually it's on 5280 or so
[21:36:11] <Licaon_Kter> This is an XMPP server, not sure what you want to see, use your XMPP client to connect

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[21:38:16] <ray_cist> > Are you sure 5443 is for admin stuff? You configured that? Usually it's on 5280 or so
The guide says to do that

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[21:41:24] <ray_cist> fwiw I just copied over the certs that certbot gave to the new vps i followed this guide on. Without installing certbot on this new VPS.

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[21:43:10] <ray_cist> Should I post the config file here? Please tell me if something's wrong in there

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[21:46:50] <Licaon_Kter> Uso a gist/pasetbin/snippet site and post a link. Don't forget to clean up private info.

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[21:47:37] <Licaon_Kter> Again, what does an XMPP client say when you want to connect? The web admin thing is nice, but not critical. You can do everything from command line with `ejabberdctl`
[21:49:21] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/QoPvsuEcoIPIKSi1/ejabberd.yml
[21:49:32] <ray_cist> > Uso a gist/pasetbin/snippet site and post a link. Don't forget to clean up private info.
oh 1 min

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[21:52:29] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/RPgP4H9rNjWpPlXJ/Screenshot_2025-08-24_03-20-45.png

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[21:54:42] <ray_cist> > Uso a gist/pasetbin/snippet site and post a link. Don't forget to clean up private info.
Can u please check this out: https://pastebin.com/jqcyUZya

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[22:00:31] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/Hq0aHHYIHCFBuBQ9/Screenshot_2025-08-24_03-29-40.png

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[22:00:41] <ray_cist> > https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/Hq0aHHYIHCFBuBQ9/Screenshot_2025-08-24_03-29-40.png
This is what's happening when I currently go to https://kspdev.cloud

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[22:03:31] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/ySw3GpTlY8p8pahO/Screenshot_2025-08-24_03-32-46.png
[22:04:06] <ray_cist> > https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/ySw3GpTlY8p8pahO/Screenshot_2025-08-24_03-32-46.png
This is what's happening when I currently go to https://kspdev.cloud:5443/admin
[22:04:32] <ray_cist> Same thing happens with port 5280

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[22:09:20] <Licaon_Kter> Firewall ok?

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[22:09:39] <Licaon_Kter> Running `curl -ij https://kspdev.cloud:5443/admin` on the machine itself yields what?
[22:10:04] <Licaon_Kter> Running `curl -ij https://127.0.0.1:5443/admin` on the machine itself yields what?
[22:10:13] <ray_cist> I should run these on the vps?
[22:10:24] <Licaon_Kter> ejabberd logs at level 5 Debug says what?
[22:10:29] <Licaon_Kter> > I should run these on the vps?
Ofcourse
[22:10:38] <ray_cist> > Firewall ok?
>
>
As far as I can tell firewall is ok
[22:10:58] <ray_cist> Hell here's my dns records

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[22:11:42] <Licaon_Kter> >> Firewall ok?
> As far as I can tell firewall is ok
How can you tell?
[22:11:43] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/x2WIibDUNHUBRZ5e/Screenshot_2025-08-24_at_03-38-29_Cloudflare_Dashboard_Manage_Your_Account.png

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[22:12:42] <ray_cist> > Running `curl -ij https://kspdev.cloud:5443/admin` on the machine itself yields what?
~~# curl -ij https://kspdev.cloud:5443/admin
HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Content-Length: 0
Location: /admin/

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[22:13:06] <Licaon_Kter> That's not good lol
[22:13:42] <ray_cist> > Running `curl -ij https://127.0.0.1:5443/admin` on the machine itself yields what?
~~# curl -ij https://127.0.0.1:5443/admin
curl: (60) SSL: no alternative certificate subject name matches target host name '127.0.0.1'
More details here: https://curl.se/docs/sslcerts.html
curl failed to verify the legitimacy of the server and therefore could not
establish a secure connection to it. To learn more about this situation and
how to fix it, please visit the web page mentioned above.
[22:14:00] <ray_cist> > That's not good lol
Can you please point out the mistakes?
[22:14:19] <ray_cist> > >> Firewall ok?
> > As far as I can tell firewall is ok
> How can you tell?
I mean I haven't done anything unusual

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[22:14:33] <ray_cist> Port 22

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[22:14:50] ray_cist retracted a previous message, but it's unsupported by your client.

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[22:18:06] <Licaon_Kter> Use https://connect.xmpp.net/
And `openssl s_client -starttls xmpp -connect kspdev.cloud:5222 -tls1_3`
to test

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[22:18:12] <Licaon_Kter> First thing, recheck firewall

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[22:20:01] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/f8CN4JkqmQLH8zLN/Screenshot_2025-08-24_at_03-49-11_XMPP_Connectivity_Checker.png

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[22:20:52] <Kris> does the Matrix gatway relay replies and reactions?
[22:23:08] <Licaon_Kter> ray_cist: I know, fix firewall, retry

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[22:24:28] <ray_cist> > Use https://connect.xmpp.net/
>
> And `openssl s_client -starttls xmpp -connect kspdev.cloud:5222 -tls1_3`
>
> to test
>
>
~~$ openssl s_client -starttls xmpp -connect kspdev.cloud:5222 -tls1_3
40176583137F0000:error:8000006E:system library:BIO_connect:Connection timed out:../crypto/bio/bio_sock2.c:125:calling connect()
40176583137F0000:error:10000067:BIO routines:BIO_connect:connect error:../crypto/bio/bio_sock2.c:127:
connect:errno=110
[22:24:49] <ray_cist> > ray_cist: I know, fix firewall, retry
🫡

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[22:27:48] <ray_cist> > ray_cist: I know, fix firewall, retry
Well, even after disabling firewall i face the same problems
[22:28:05] <ray_cist> ig i better start from scratch again

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[23:06:33] <ray_cist> https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/UH22Vo5C0a6en6We/Screenshot_2025-08-24_at_04-34-56_ejabberd_Web_Admin.png
[23:06:44] <ray_cist> > https://share.conversations.im/ray_cist/message/UH22Vo5C0a6en6We/Screenshot_2025-08-24_at_04-34-56_ejabberd_Web_Admin.png
YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[23:06:58] <ray_cist> I feel like I could die

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[23:07:51] <ray_cist> Whole process of setting up ejabberd took about 5-6 tries for me but I'm glad I'm up and running!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Licaon_Kter,
[23:08:52] <ray_cist> In my estimate it also took around 15-20 hr for a total noob at vps, xmpp, domains and dns records like me
[23:09:33] <ray_cist> Thank you all of you from this group for all your help and especially Licaon_Kter, for pointing me in the right direction

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