ejabberd - Monday, September 8, 2025

[08:28:35] <arut_s2> Hi everybody.
Please tell me how to configure ejabberd correctly so that Push notifications work on mobile XMPP clients.
I've been digging through the documentation and articles, but I haven't found a solution. At the moment, Push notifications on Android (Conversations) work, even if you minimize the application from the "recent" list, but if you restart your phone, Push notifications do not arrive (probably, Conversations does not start/log in when the system starts for some reason).
Maybe you need to configure a separate ejabberd component (for example, fpush)? What am I doing wrong, please tell me.
Thank you in advance.

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[08:30:13] <arut_s2> Hi everybody.
Can you please tell me how to configure ejabberd correctly so that Push notifications work on mobile XMPP clients.
I've been digging through the documentation and articles, but I haven't found a solution. At the moment, Push notifications on Android (Conversations) work, even if you minimize the application from the "recent" list, but if you restart your phone, Push notifications do not arrive (probably, Conversations does not start/log in when the system starts for some reason).
Maybe you need to configure a separate ejabberd component (for example, fpush)? What am I doing wrong, please tell me.
Thank you in advance.

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[08:42:42] <Kris> It is more relevant where you installed conversations from and what phone you installed it on.

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[08:43:31] <Kris> On some shitty phone vendors only the Playstore version has reliable push notifications.

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[08:44:08] <Kris> https://dontkillmyapp.com/

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[08:46:58] <arut_s2> > It is more relevant where you installed conversations from and what phone you installed it on.
I downloaded a client from FDroid on my Samsung phone. Could this be a problem?

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[08:47:19] <arut_s2> > It is more relevant where you installed conversations from and what phone you installed it on.
I downloaded Conversations from FDroid on my Samsung phone. Could this be a problem?
[08:47:23] <Kris> Yes

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[08:47:52] <Kris> You could try the FCM enabled version of Cheogram
[08:48:27] <Kris> I think that is the only gratis option that still uses the google push notifications.

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[08:50:07] <Kris> (And blame Samsung, they are very shitty)

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[08:50:46] <zoidberg> Or, you can just conversations run *n the background and not worry about google spying on you.

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[08:51:03] <zoidberg> It doesnt really take any considerable ammount of battery.

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[08:51:21] <Kris> zoidberg: you can't reliably do that on Samsung phones.
[08:51:31] <arut_s2> That is, a standard configured ejabberd (with 'mod_push' enabled) already makes it possible to receive real Push notifications (without additional configuration, by type, of your push server settings)? Should the problem be looked for on the client application side?

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[08:52:16] <Kris> Yes a client side issue is more likely.

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[08:54:46] <arut_s2> Thanks to everyone who responded, I'll keep trying to figure it out. ❤️

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[08:56:27] <Kris> The page I linked above has some possible workarounds for samdung phones

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[08:56:36] <Kris> The page I linked above has some possible workarounds for samsung phones

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[09:05:04] <arut_s2> Can you tell me where exactly ejabberd sends push notifications? I just read in the documentation that ejabberd does not generate notifications by itself - but then how does it work, where does it send requests?
If I deploy my push server (fpush), won't it help me solve the problem?
P.S. Another problem is that it is not clear how to configure ejabberd and the push server so that they work together - I would like to understand how to do this (again, if this solves my problem with clients on mobile devices).
P.P.S. And thanks for the link to "dontkillmyapp" - I'll definitely take a look.
[09:05:14] <arut_s2> Can you tell me where exactly ejabberd sends push notifications? I just read in the documentation that ejabberd does not generate notifications by itself - but then how does it work, where does it send requests?
If I deploy my push server (fpush), won't it help me solve the problem?
P.S. Another problem is that it is not clear how to configure ejabberd and the push server so that they work together - I would like to understand how to do this (again, if this solves my problem with clients on mobile devices).
P.P.S. And thanks for the link to "dontkillmyapp" - I'll definitely take a look.

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[09:06:50] <Kris> Well, no. Fpush will not help you, that is only for app developers.

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[09:09:27] <Kris> There are basically two ways how to do notifications in xmpp. The more common way it to keep a tcp connection open with the app running in the background and then everything is done via xmpp. Conversations is quite optimized for that, so it doesn't take much battery, but stupid vendors prevent that with their dumb background app killing "optimisations".

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[09:10:49] <Kris> The other option is that the app tells your server the address of an Fpush equivalent run by the app developer, and that then forwards the notification to google FCM, which then forwards it to your phone.

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[09:11:44] <Kris> Ironically google FCM is using xmpp internally, but it is excempted from the optimisations that the stupid vendors do, so it continues to work.

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[09:12:42] <Kris> But the fdroid version has this FCM notification support removed as it is not good for privacy obviously.

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[09:16:13] <arut_s2> 🤔 🤔

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[11:03:11] <arut_s2> I have another question.
Push notifications are working for me while Conversations are in the background, but if I force the app to stop in the app settings, the Push notifications do not arrive accordingly. Is this normal behavior? It's just that I've heard that Push notifications can wake up even stopped apps.

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[11:24:22] <zoidberg> android version?

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[11:25:49] <zoidberg> mine here now is like this: click and hold, app info, app battery usage then allow background usage.
[11:26:35] <zoidberg> But older devices might have 2 settings, background usage and "auto start".

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[11:27:27] <zoidberg> other than that maybe what K ris said might play a factor with some vendors.

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[11:29:04] <Kris> > I have another question.
> Push notifications are working for me while Conversations are in the background, but if I force the app to stop in the app settings, the Push notifications do not arrive accordingly. Is this normal behavior? It's just that I've heard that Push notifications can wake up even stopped apps.
Like I already explained, this is normal behavior for the f-dtoid version.

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[11:30:30] <Kris> If you use the google playstore version with FCM notifications it should work even when the app is stopped.

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[11:31:50] <Kris> But battery wise there is no big difference for Conversations, so if your Android is not force stopping apps there is no reason to do so manually.

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[11:34:01] <Holger> Killing Conversations in the background can even end up eating more battery due to reconnections being expensive. (But strongly depends on the number of messages you receive, of course.)

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[11:35:11] <Holger> For me it is that way. I use the Play Store version but explicitly allow all background usage, just to save my battery.

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[11:37:29] <Holger> (And recently got a pop-up warning me about that setting and Conversations' battery usage, which was 4%. WhatsApp's was 8% at that point.)

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[11:38:36] <Kris> Yeah, I think Daniel made some measurements to compare and the difference was neligible.

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[11:39:46] <Kris> On my non-shitty FP5 here, Cheogram in the background is certainly not an issue battery wise.

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[11:41:02] <zoidberg> Mine consumes more, but i do a lot of video/audio calls.

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[11:42:28] <Holger> I have times where Conversations eats a large fraction of my battery simply because it's one of the main apps I'm using on my phone; it's just that with my usage, restricting background usage clearly eats even more battery.

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[11:42:46] <Holger> I think the real reasoning for restricting background usage isn't battery savings but giving the OS more freedom with memory management.

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[12:40:28] <arut_s2> OK, thanks for your answers. 💗

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[12:56:03] <Maïke> can ejabberd read the let's encrypt certs that are in the LE folder? or used to be that it couldn't and you had to manually copy the certs to the ejabberd folder?

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[12:58:07] <Holger> Maïke, the user running the ejabberd process (often called `ejabberd`) needs to have the permissions to read the PEM files.

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[12:58:50] <Maïke> is it safe to give those permissions? because normally only the admin user has them
[12:58:52] <Holger> Certbot has some --hook options to run a script to adjust permissions (possibly after copying the frequired iles).

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[14:15:03] <mm> > On some shitty phone vendors only the Playstore version has reliable push notifications.
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[14:15:54] <mm> > It doesnt really take any considerable ammount of battery.
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[14:16:16] <Holger> Maïke: Well the software that's supposed to offer a certificate needs access to that certificate.

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[14:17:37] <zoidberg> I just run acme.sh as ejabberd. This way i dont have to mess with permissions.
[14:18:07] <zoidberg> But before that i used the "install" command, which also can change ownership of the files on the go.

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[14:20:30] <Holger> Yeah. I typically have a dedicated 'cert' user that runs some minimalistic ACME client and gives the 'cert' group read permissions to the PEM files. Any users running daemons that need access to those (such as 'ejabberd') are added to the 'cert' group.
[14:20:45] <zoidberg> like this : ```install -C -m 400 -o ejabberd -g ejabberd /etc/letsencrypt/live/example.com/fullchain.pem /dir/that/ejabberd/lookforthecerts/fullchain.pem```

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[14:21:44] <zoidberg> do this for the private key too, and a cron that runs every 5 days or whatever.

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[14:22:06] <Holger> In my book that's an obvious/straightforward setup but I get how it makes others run away screeming compared to `apt install certbot` and lots of magic makes everything working magically, except the stuff that doesn't work magically.

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[20:02:50] <Doofus Canadensis> I'm probably going to need to set this up
[20:03:42] <Doofus Canadensis> maybe related: do you run ejabberd behind a reverse proxy? if so, got some sample configurations?
[20:04:40] <Doofus Canadensis> I am primarily focused on trying to troubleshoot the mod_matrix_gw and accessing the .well-known and _matrix files that should be present
[20:05:32] <Doofus Canadensis> I'm thinking of pulling ejabberd out from behind caddy since it seems that only the main functionality (5280) is working

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[20:05:57] <Doofus Canadensis> conference, pubsub, etc are all returning 404s

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[20:16:06] <arcanicanis> > conference, pubsub, etc are all returning 404s
Hate to ask the obvious question though: do you have rules set in Caddy to forward each of those domains; also, is it passing the Host header through? (also, for not-HTTP/HTTPS connections, consider utilizing the PROXY protocol)

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[20:16:29] <Doofus Canadensis> I did have those rules

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[20:16:37] <Doofus Canadensis> but probably not the host header
[20:16:47] <Doofus Canadensis> caddy documentation is maddening
[20:17:08] <Doofus Canadensis> "set these two lines for reverse proxy configuration. you're done"
[20:17:54] <Doofus Canadensis> thus, a working caddy/ejabberd configuration would sure be handy

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[20:19:03] <arcanicanis> Haven't toyed with Caddy, I should probably add it to my list of things to testlab with; whereas normally I'd figure something out with Apache, nginx, or HAProxy
[20:19:34] <Doofus Canadensis> I am more familiar with nginx, but I had conduit on this server first and it recommended caddy
[20:20:10] <Doofus Canadensis> so, since ejabberd uses ports outside of standard web, I could just bypass caddy altogether

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[20:20:19] <Doofus Canadensis> apart from the whole certs, thing

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[20:30:11] <Doofus Canadensis> I am seeing some logging of connections on port 8448... so the gw is receiving something. I'd love to debug just what is being sent in

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[20:32:48] <nigel_> > In my book that's an obvious/straightforward setup but I get how it makes others run away screeming compared to `apt install certbot` and lots of magic makes everything working magically, except the stuff that doesn't work magically.
😂

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[20:36:48] <arcanicanis> I suppose that'd be a simple module to write: just a basic dummy HTTP echo server for ejabberd, as something to mainline for troubleshooting exactly that

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[20:54:21] <Doofus Canadensis> i'm sorry, I'm supposed to write code for a server that was provided for me?
[20:54:28] <Doofus Canadensis> do I look smart to you?

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[20:55:08] <Doofus Canadensis> don't answer that

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[20:58:45] <arcanicanis> nah, I'm just monologuing an idea that I could take a stab at much later
[20:59:34] <Doofus Canadensis> stabbity stab

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[21:00:33] <arcanicanis> Unfortunately I can't find a quick standalone HTTP echo server that you could use, just to see what Caddy is forwarding, though I would hope it'd have sane defaults to include everything that's necessary

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[21:03:49] <Doofus Canadensis> well, caddy isn't handling port 8448... so this is direct to ejabberd
[21:04:14] <Doofus Canadensis> caddy is only doing 80/443 on the root xmpp host

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[21:19:00] <arcanicanis> Oh derp, sorry; I forgot about that detail. I guess in that case, perhaps you could share what you have in your config file for 'listen' declaration for port 8448, as well as the options set for mod_matrix_gw; as well as check if there's any specific errors/messages you see on config reload

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[21:26:46] <arcanicanis> Additionally, what method are you using you test mod_matrix_gw? The 'Matrix Federation Tester' utility, or just plainly trying to load specific S2S endpoint URLs in your web browser (hopefully including :8448 in the URL)?

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[21:27:57] <arcanicanis> Additionally, what method are you using you test mod_matrix_gw? The 'Matrix Federation Tester' utility, or just plainly trying to load specific S2S endpoint URLs in your web browser (hopefully including :8448 in the URL; unless it's for something under .well-known)?

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[21:33:15] <Doofus Canadensis> federation tester and direct checking of .well-known and _matrix files

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[21:35:17] <Doofus Canadensis> federation tester returns success despite `'Get "https://matrix.xmpp.troublemaker.dev/.well-known/matrix/server": remote error: tls: internal error'`
[21:36:18] <Doofus Canadensis> oh wait, I disabled that

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[21:37:14] <arcanicanis> Do you have a TLS cert signed for matrix.xmpp.troublemaker.dev?
[21:38:04] <Doofus Canadensis> only through caddy, apparently
[21:38:29] <Doofus Canadensis> that's what I had disabled

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[21:39:02] <Doofus Canadensis> if I re-enable the caddy config for matrix., then it drops to "no .well-known"

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[21:39:26] <Doofus Canadensis> and just tries a direct connection to matrix.xmpp...:8448 which is successful

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[21:39:53] <arcanicanis> From Caddy to ejabberd, are you forwarding port 443 from Caddy to port 5443 or 5480 on ejabberd?

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[21:40:44] <Doofus Canadensis> 5280, yes
[21:40:58] <arcanicanis> From Caddy to ejabberd, are you forwarding port 443 from Caddy to port 5443 or 5280 on ejabberd?
[21:41:34] <arcanicanis> From Caddy to ejabberd, are you reverse proxying port 443 from Caddy to port 5443 or 5280 on ejabberd?

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[21:42:11] <Doofus Canadensis> most of my matrix testing has been from a conduit fork on the same host (different hostname)
[21:42:42] <Doofus Canadensis> today, I'm just trying to test from an account on matrix.org

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[21:43:23] <Doofus Canadensis> which means I don't have access to server logs, but the server is truly remote
[21:44:34] <arcanicanis> So it looks like /_matrix is working correctly for port 8448 as all of that loads fine. The issue is just the /.well-known URLs on port 443, although I'm not sure if that's even a requirement anyway.

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[21:45:03] <Doofus Canadensis> well, they're only needed if you're moving your service to a non-standard port or a different host
[21:45:17] <Doofus Canadensis> like troublemaker.dev -> matrix.troublemaker.dev

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[21:46:06] <arcanicanis> but across the bridge, as far as I understand, you'd appear as originating from matrix.troublemaker.dev, if I'm not misunderstanding

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[21:46:18] <Doofus Canadensis> which I actually want to do for ejabberd itself. troublemaker.dev is a different host, but I'd like to use that domain for my xmpp traffic using the specific host at xmpp.troublemaker.dev
[21:46:44] <Doofus Canadensis> by default the bridge sets up matrix.YOURHOST (so matrix.xmpp.troublemaker.dev)

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[21:47:27] <Doofus Canadensis> I should probably do the domain to host part first, tbh

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[21:48:25] <Doofus Canadensis> then get matrix bridge working so that could show as matrix.troublemaker.dev
[21:49:10] <Doofus Canadensis> oh! I was checking for _matrix/ files on 443, not 8448
[21:50:27] <Doofus Canadensis> okay, that makes a bit more sense

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[22:42:23] <nigel_> > so, since ejabberd uses ports outside of standard web, I could just bypass caddy altogether
Yeah i don't even forward anything in nginx, I just have the ports open.
[22:44:21] <nigel_> Nvm, I caught up now lol.
I have .well-known worh matrix ended tries and the federation tester works but actual messaging doesn't. It used to when I used it last, before matrix room version upgrade.
[22:47:32] <Kris> Wasn't there something about having to use a double :: to join v12 rooms or so?

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