ejabberd - Thursday, September 18, 2025

[18:55:02] <Licaon_Kter> I'm so switching to ~~prosody~~ ~~snikket~~ ~~openfire~~ ~~mongoose~~ ~~jackal~~ another server
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/commit/843bb8c5baa1764e4d415025feeb38467e6bc039

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[18:58:41] <zoidberg> You dont like it?

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[18:59:12] <svp> oh thats such an awful idea
[18:59:19] <zoidberg> Why?
[18:59:46] <zoidberg> I have mine here, so useful. Like it a lot.
[18:59:57] <svp> so far data shows it actually hinders developers

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[19:00:22] <svp> i'll try and grab the article again...

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[19:02:08] <zoidberg> so you are against AI, therefore if ejabberd implements something that you could(dont need, but could use) then you just like complain?
[19:02:18] <zoidberg> Some sort of religion then?

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[19:03:29] <Licaon_Kter> svp: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/trillion-dollar-problem-ai-built-solve-wages-samson-williams-myf5e
Or
https://substack.com/inbox/post/172538377

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[19:03:45] <Licaon_Kter> > Some sort of religion then?
Name something that is not!
[19:04:14] <zoidberg> Licaon_Kter: welcome back BTW, come back just to complain?😂
[19:04:30] <zoidberg> missed you!
[19:04:46] <Licaon_Kter> No, this channel goes offline, I swiped it off but forgot to rejoin... I blame the AI
[19:04:56] <Licaon_Kter> No, this channel goes offline/discennects me/etc, I swiped it off but forgot to rejoin... I blame the AI

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[19:05:33] <Licaon_Kter> No, this channel goes offline/disconnects me/etc, I swiped it off but forgot to rejoin... I blame the AI
[19:05:37] <svp> https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/07/study-finds-ai-tools-made-open-source-software-developers-19-percent-slower/

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[19:06:35] <svp> on top of that, the licenses of the data it's trained on are pretty nebulous and/or potentially an issue

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[19:07:41] <zoidberg> From what i know, whatever AI produces doesnt hold any copyrights or that stuff. Can be used in opensource.

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[19:10:15] <svp> https://scisimple.com/en/articles/2025-07-02-license-compliance-challenges-in-ai-generated-code--a3lq4z2 might not be as clear as that, the assistant might regurgitate code that is 1:1 with some license-incompatible library

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[19:18:50] <zoidberg> Well, in my POV i have absolutely nothing against this feature. I do run some Ollama models connected to my XMPP servers, and its very useful. Enjoy it a lot. Yes, one have to have a good compass to be the judge on if what the model is saying is correct or not. But in general it helps a lot.

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[19:23:25] <svp> as long as we can be sure the output is compatible with ejabberd's licensing AND it doesnt break features then i don't particularly care
[19:23:50] <zoidberg> Why not just dont enable the module then?

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[19:24:35] <zoidberg> And be happy with what google AI is able to learn from you🙂

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[19:25:40] <svp> well it's a github workflow i don't have much say on the matter do i
[19:25:48] <zoidberg> BTW running AI requires some hardware so its probably not gonna be a good idea for most VPS's

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[19:30:43] <zoidberg> Ah, its not gonna be a a module

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[19:30:55] <zoidberg> Its just to help with the github thing?
[19:31:12] <zoidberg> And you guys are already like this?

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[19:31:59] <svp> better to address it now than after it's too late

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[19:41:17] <zoidberg> i just see this as like asking a contractor to not use power tools, because you have electromagnetic hypersensitivity(yes, Chuck McGill condition). But i am not paying...

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[19:44:32] <zoidberg> i just see this as like i asking a contractor to not use power tools, because i have electromagnetic hypersensitivity(yes, Chuck McGill condition). But i am not paying the contractor anything...

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[21:47:48] <mm> > svp: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/trillion-dollar-problem-ai-built-solve-wages-samson-williams-myf5e
>
> Or
> https://substack.com/inbox/post/172538377
👍

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