ejabberd - Saturday, September 20, 2025

[08:20:45] <marko.cupac> I can't make any sense in my MUC avatar issue. They keep appearing and disappearing as they please for MUC on my server, in latest fdroid conversations. Yesterday when I din't see them when connected from Internet and saw them when connected from LAN I hoped there's some culprit with firewall but no. Now I don't see them even from LAN, until I see them again. Nothing in either ejabberd or conversations logs which seem connected to the issue.

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[08:21:46] <zoidberg> marko.cupac: i noticed that too, but i think the issue was introduced on the conversations side

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[08:22:12] <zoidberg> Conversations logs to me do show "could not fetch avatar"
[08:22:13] <marko.cupac> zoidberg: thanx, good to know I'm not the only one!

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[08:22:36] <zoidberg> You gotta disable the acc
[08:22:40] <marko.cupac> I see some 'could not fetch avatar but just for a few of them.
[08:22:42] <zoidberg> Start logging

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[08:22:54] <zoidberg> Then enable the acc again
[08:23:10] <marko.cupac> While I don't see many more than those reported.

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[08:23:30] <marko.cupac> acc?
[08:23:41] <zoidberg> Account

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[08:23:46] <marko.cupac> I'm on grapheneos, has pretty verbose logs by default.
[08:24:02] <marko.cupac> Ah ok, let me see.

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[08:31:42] <marko.cupac> There are some like:
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09-20 08:20:00.312 5860 6159 D conversations: could not fetch avatar for ejabberd@conference.process-one.net/user
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[08:31:51] <zoidberg> Yes

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[08:31:56] <marko.cupac> Also some like:
[08:32:12] <zoidberg> You got K ris on that list?
[08:33:17] <zoidberg> Because i know that K ris does have an avatar. And since a while i only see a K on conversations(but i can see his avatar on Gajim)

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[08:34:15] <marko.cupac> You mean exactly what you wrote or without the space?
[08:34:42] <zoidberg> Without the space(space was only to not ping him)
[08:34:58] <marko.cupac> I see his avatar here and in another MUC just fine.
[08:35:23] <zoidberg> Oh yeah? Darn it, so its not consistent.
[08:35:57] <zoidberg> ah i remembered it started after i cleared cache or killed the conversations process or something.

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[08:36:53] <marko.cupac> I have also:
09-20 08:25:30.494 5860 13742 D conversations: setSelf(Self{fullJid=somemuc@conference.example.oeg/Name Surname, realJid=someguy@example org, occupantId=gBLSBLAAQ+5LnF+59S83ltVvlm+MZFxMbphWPIN3Wvhdr1jE=, role=MODERATOR, affiliation=OWNER, pgpKeyId=null, avatar=null, chatState=ACTIVE})
[08:37:51] <zoidberg> Thats unrelated, i think that this is on pvt room?
[08:38:12] <marko.cupac> > Oh yeah? Darn it, so its not consistent.
Agreed. Those avatars just keep popping up and disappearing randomly for MUC on my server. I usually see them always in other server MUCs.

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[08:38:50] <marko.cupac> > Thats unrelated, i think that this is on pvt room?
No, should be public.

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[08:40:05] <marko.cupac> Doesn't bother me too much but I don't like mysterious inconsistencies, at this point I'd prefer for them to never show instead of showing randomly 😀

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[08:43:07] <zoidberg> Yep, a bit annoying

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[08:44:28] <marko.cupac> I opened gajim just to add to the confusion, I see your avatar here but not there 😃

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[08:45:03] <marko.cupac> For some it's the opposite 😃
[08:45:18] <marko.cupac> I'll just try to forget it for some time 😃

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[09:24:00] <ffunk> Hi, I've seen something very similar before ejabberd 25.08 release. Reconnecting my account fixed some avatars, other disappeared. MUC avatars were also randomly affected. Could it be related to hi-res avatars support...?

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[10:16:11] <marko.cupac> I'm still at 25.07 which is FreeBSD port. I already sent patches for port upgrade to newer releases, if maintainer doesn't beat me to it I'll try to upgrade port next week. Then I'll know more. Thanks for the tip!

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[10:20:56] <ffunk> Hope it helps. This silly issue was driving me mad too. 😄

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[17:27:18] <Kris> am I guessing correctly that muc_sub also registeres nicks?

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[17:27:58] <Kris> I have a user complaining that their nick is taken by an old account of theirs, but there is no member affiliation of anything I can see in Gajim that would explain that.

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[17:29:00] <Kris> the only think I can think of is the muc_sub subscriber role, but Gajim at least seems to have no way to remove that or even show it

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[17:29:05] <zoidberg> I heard by Mopar, that if you use Cheogram and unsubscribe it solves it.
[17:29:30] <Kris> like join with cheogram and then leave the channel?
[17:29:42] <Kris> as the user in question?
[17:29:55] <zoidberg> It will probably be saved on the bookmarks right?
[17:29:56] <zoidberg> Not sure
[17:30:22] <moparisthebest> Yep that's it
[17:30:25] <zoidberg> But i think that you as server admin can also delete the user as a member

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[17:31:10] <moparisthebest> They can also send unregister command from a gajim XML console or whatever but I don't have it handy right now
[17:31:10] <Kris> https://docs.ejabberd.im/developer/xmpp-clients-bots/extensions/muc-sub/#unsubscribing-from-a-muc-room

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[17:31:33] <Kris> ah, that is what I feared. No client that exploses this more easily?
[17:31:34] <moparisthebest> No not mucsub, nickname registration

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[17:31:52] <moparisthebest> It's part of standard old MUC

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[17:32:03] <Kris> well, Gajim shows no nickname registrations for those channels

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[17:32:19] <Kris> the account isn't even a member

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[17:32:37] <moparisthebest> https://stackoverflow.com/a/34491233

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[17:32:51] <moparisthebest> account doesn't need to be member, just needs to be able to join

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[17:33:41] <moparisthebest> oh right ejabberd implements it at the service level, normally it's at room level

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[17:33:53] <Kris> ok, but those nick registrations do not show up at all under the menu in Gajim that shows nick registrations then?

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[17:34:10] <moparisthebest> uh I don't know what gajim shows

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[17:34:50] <Kris> it shows a table with member affiliations and reserved nicks
[17:35:01] <Kris> which there are non on that channel

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[17:35:56] <moparisthebest> well ejabberd let's you register it at the service level too
[17:36:15] <moparisthebest> I think that's non-standard

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[17:37:32] <Kris> but what client does that?

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[17:38:02] <moparisthebest> I know Cheogram registers nick but I thought only at room level

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[17:43:19] <Kris> hmm, yeah I just tried to register a nick on service level and it claims that the nick is already registered, so most likely Cheogram does that automatically

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[17:43:34] <Kris> but I see no way to deregister

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[17:44:31] <moparisthebest> there might not be other than sending the XML manually
[17:45:06] <zoidberg> Does this work? unsubscribe_room from ejabberdctl?

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[17:46:18] <Kris> > there might not be other than sending the XML manually
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[17:46:23] <zoidberg> I know unsubscribe technically not = unregister nick, but maybe the command does a complete clean?

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[17:51:06] <Kris> I'll try, thanks

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[17:59:23] <Kris> nope that didn't help

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[18:01:19] <Kris> I suspect it might be a Cheogram bug, or some incompatibility with ejabberd at least. The cheogram dev say the app only send nick registration automatically when joining a channel (and sends a removal request when leaving), but it seems quite obvious that I have nicks registerd at service level as I can't register them manually via Gajim with them already being registered.

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[18:05:28] <Kris> > f a nick is registered in the MUC service, that nick cannot be registered in any room, and vice versa: a nick that is registered in a room cannot be registered at the MUC service.

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[18:05:36] <Kris> > if a nick is registered in the MUC service, that nick cannot be registered in any room, and vice versa: a nick that is registered in a room cannot be registered at the MUC service.
[18:05:43] <Kris> ah, maybe not

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[18:05:52] <Kris> from the ejabberd docu

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[18:06:36] <Kris> but the registered nick are not shown in the channel member list in Gajim, which is odd
[18:06:47] <Kris> but the registered nicks are not shown in the channel member list in Gajim, which is odd

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[18:13:05] <moparisthebest> Are you are gajim shows them

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[18:28:08] <Kris> not in the channels, no. and I don't see any other ways to list them

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[18:35:58] <moparisthebest> I don't see a protocol to list them at all lol

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[18:36:23] <moparisthebest> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#register is how to register nicks, this says it makes them a member but I don't think it actually does

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