ejabberd - Sunday, October 5, 2025

[16:52:03] <vahrein> Hello everyone, Mariadb I seem to have fixed, simplifying the configuration to the maximum, now I want to do this, there is very little information online on how to implement XEP-0368, I did everything according to the instructions, but I could not access the account. I turn off proxying, I have access, I turn on no connection.  That's what I did. 1. I installed the ejabberd deb package. 2. Installed Nginx. 3. Added to the configuration
```
ejabberd listen:
  ...
  -
    port: 5225
```
4. Added Nginx to the main file
```
stream {
    upstream httpserver {
        server localhost:8181;
    }
    upstream xmppserver {
        server localhost:5223;
    }
    upstream turnserver {
        server localhost:3477;
    }
    map $ssl_preread_alpn_protocols $upstream {
        default httpserver;
        "xmpp-client" xmppserver;
        "stun.turn" turnserver;
        "stun.nat-discovery" turnserver;
    }
    server {
        listen 443;
        ssl_preread on;
        proxy_pass $upstream;
        proxy_protocol on;
    }
}
```
Add SRV 443, I already had the 5222 entry.
I restarted the server and did not get access. If I disable the proxy, I immediately log in to the account. Please tell me what am I doing wrong? Thank you, and I would also like to understand which ports should be opened in the firewall, and whether calls will be proxied?
P.S. I was also told that all this can be launched without Nginx, please share your experience who has already done it. Thanks
[16:52:25] <vahrein> Hello everyone, Mariadb I seem to have fixed, simplifying the configuration to the maximum, now I want to do this, there is very little information online on how to implement XEP-0368, I did everything according to the instructions, but I could not access the account. I turn off proxying, I have access, I turn on no connection.  That's what I did. 1. I installed the ejabberd deb package. 2. Installed Nginx. 3. Added to the configuration
```
ejabberd listen:
  ...
  -
    port: 5225
```
4. Added Nginx to the main file
```
```
stream {
    upstream httpserver {
        server localhost:8181;
    }
    upstream xmppserver {
        server localhost:5223;
    }
    upstream turnserver {
        server localhost:3477;
    }
    map $ssl_preread_alpn_protocols $upstream {
        default httpserver;
        "xmpp-client" xmppserver;
        "stun.turn" turnserver;
        "stun.nat-discovery" turnserver;
    }
    server {
        listen 443;
        ssl_preread on;
        proxy_pass $upstream;
        proxy_protocol on;
    }
}
```
Add SRV 443, I already had the 5222 entry.
I restarted the server and did not get access. If I disable the proxy, I immediately log in to the account. Please tell me what am I doing wrong? Thank you, and I would also like to understand which ports should be opened in the firewall, and whether calls will be proxied?
P.S. I was also told that all this can be launched without Nginx, please share your experience who has already done it. Thanks

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[16:52:55] <vahrein> Hello everyone, Mariadb I seem to have fixed, simplifying the configuration to the maximum, now I want to do this, there is very little information online on how to implement XEP-0368, I did everything according to the instructions, but I could not access the account. I turn off proxying, I have access, I turn on no connection.  That's what I did. 1. I installed the ejabberd deb package. 2. Installed Nginx. 3. Added to the configuration
```
ejabberd listen:
  ...
  -
    port: 5225
```
4. Added Nginx to the main file
```
stream {
    upstream httpserver {
        server localhost:8181;
    }
    upstream xmppserver {
        server localhost:5223;
    }
    upstream turnserver {
        server localhost:3477;
    }
    map $ssl_preread_alpn_protocols $upstream {
        default httpserver;
        "xmpp-client" xmppserver;
        "stun.turn" turnserver;
        "stun.nat-discovery" turnserver;
    }
    server {
        listen 443;
        ssl_preread on;
        proxy_pass $upstream;
        proxy_protocol on;
    }
}
```
Add SRV 443, I already had the 5222 entry.
I restarted the server and did not get access. If I disable the proxy, I immediately log in to the account. Please tell me what am I doing wrong? Thank you, and I would also like to understand which ports should be opened in the firewall, and whether calls will be proxied?
P.S. I was also told that all this can be launched without Nginx, please share your experience who has already done it. Thanks

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[16:54:40] <Licaon_Kter> But you say listen 5225? And that's not proxied...

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[16:56:15] <vahrein> Sorry I don't understand, I did it according to the instructions, please tell me)

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[17:06:36] <Licaon_Kter> Read what you wrote

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[17:11:53] <zoidberg> i am not a proxy expert but is that Nginx in front of a TURN server?

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[17:14:56] <vahrein> Do you mean that I indicate 5225 in the EJABBERD configuration, but I do not proceed it to Nginx? If so, then I also thought that it was strange, but it is written in the instructions)

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[17:16:13] <vahrein> zoidberg: Yes, since the port is 3478)

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[17:16:47] <zoidberg> vahrein: i dont use Nginx at all, you have a reason to complicate things? (i think in one of my servers i do use this for the http file upload https://github.com/weiss/ngx_http_upload ) .
[17:17:17] <zoidberg> As for the 3478, it is UDP only, i dont think you can use Nginx in front of it?

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[17:17:37] <zoidberg> Maybe you are over complicating things?

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[17:23:52] <vahrein> I agree with the fullness of you, so I'm trying to figure it out. In my country, calls are blocked in some messengers, so I do it. What should I indicate in the configuration to implement 0368? Thank you

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[17:24:37] <vahrein> I agree with the fullness of you, so I'm trying to figure it out. In my country, calls are blocked in some messengers, so I do it. What should I indicate in the configuration ejabberd to implement 0368 message? Thank you

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[17:26:36] <Holger> 1. What Licaon said. If you tell Nginx to forward to localhost:1234, ejabberd must listen on localhost:1234. (I'd use 127.0.0.1 BTW, to avoid running into v4 vs. v6 lookup foo.)

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[17:27:19] <Holger> 2. This is not your immediate issue, but I think TURN clients don't necessarily support ALPN. I'd use a different host name (can be the same IP address) for TURN and let Nginx multiplex by means of SNI.

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[17:28:15] <Holger> And TURN issues are so hard to debug. That's an issue you might not actually notice immediately (because other transports may work or some client might do ALPN after all).

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[17:31:48] <vahrein> Okay, thanks I will think how to do the right thing

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[18:02:02] <Licaon_Kter> vahrein: Which instructions link?

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[18:04:38] <vahrein> https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368 I took everything here if you asked about it

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[18:55:18] <Holger> Yeah the ALPN part on that page probably won't work (reliably) for TURN.

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[19:04:54] <vahrein> I think that it is possible to implement not UDP, but TCP calls through this. I'll try to collect it will be seen)

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[19:07:48] <Holger> Yes but I would use SNI rather than ALPN to distinguish TURNS from XMPPS/HTTPS because TURN clients don't necessarily support ALPN.
[19:08:01] <Holger> Someone™ should update that wiki page …

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[19:11:27] <zoidberg> So the idea here is to use Nginx in front the _everything_ (on the 443?) To avoid censorship? Or...? I just struggle to understand.
[19:11:41] <zoidberg> So the idea here is to use Nginx in front of _everything_ (on the 443?) To avoid censorship? Or...? I just struggle to understand.

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[19:15:14] <vahrein> If I figure it out, I may be updated. The bottom line is that at the moment What's App, Telegram, calls are blocked, and messages are also rendered. I have interest to make my server just not see. And we know that 5222 and other ports are visible, and therefore they can be blocked in the country

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[19:16:09] <zoidberg> vahrein: you can use any port and just do srv records nothing else

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[19:16:26] <zoidberg> My servers all run on custom ports no problem

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[19:17:07] <Holger> zoidberg: Offering all services on 443 as fallback to circumvent some censorship methods or just stupid hotel WiFis is not necessarily a bad idea.

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[19:18:16] <Holger> I'm all for setting TURN up in a way that UDP is preferred. But TURNS on 443 as *fallback* is a thing.

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[19:18:42] <zoidberg> Does it work with conversations?

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[19:19:02] <zoidberg> TURNS on the 443?

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[19:19:18] <Holger> Sure, it does support TLS and doesn't care about ports.
[19:19:29] <vahrein> zoidberg: I also thought about this, well, then I will leave the XEP-0368 at rest, since I understood it does not make much sense in this situation. I have already changed the Turn ports and all calls are successful, I will soon change the standard messages). Thank you

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[19:20:03] <Holger> 😃

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[19:20:58] <Holger> zoidberg: I've been connected to WiFis with stupid firewalls that attempt to allow only HTTPS by allowing only TLS via 443 several times.
[19:21:41] <zoidberg> Holger: i think some users of my server might have encountered the same issue now that you say.

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[19:21:56] <Holger> For that reason we offer that fallback on conversations.im for example. Despite the downside that offering multiple transports does increase call setup latency a bit.

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[19:21:57] <zoidberg> Heck now i want _everything_ on the 443

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[19:22:47] <Holger> zoidberg: The thing I keep arguing against with regard to TURN of offering either only that, or worse, TLS on another port. *That* is useless.
[19:22:59] <Holger> zoidberg: The thing I keep arguing against with regard to TURN is offering either only that, or worse, TLS on another port. *That* is useless.

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[19:23:44] <Holger> zoidberg: The thing I keep arguing against with regard to TURN is offering either only that, or worse, TLS on a non-443 port. *That* is useless.

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[19:24:39] <vahrein> All ports on the 443th port are not a story, I think it is worth choosing ports for messages that will not be affected by censorship

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[19:25:14] <Holger> Yes, If you're affected by censorship that works that way then I totally get the idea of course.
[19:25:16] <vahrein> All ports on the 443th port are not a link, I think it is worth choosing ports for messages that will not be affected by censorship
[19:25:21] <zoidberg> vahrein: that being said, if they a locked on you they will block you anyways.

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[19:26:05] <Holger> Yes it only helps with stupid censorship that doesn't target you individually.
[19:26:31] <vahrein> )) We will definitely come up with something

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[19:26:49] <Holger> WhatsApp does the same by the way, the default port is still 5222 and they offer a 443 fallback. (No idea why they still stick to that default.)

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[19:27:44] <Kris> that default is great because it means you can use XMPP on Airplane wifi for free 😅
[19:28:04] <Holger> I mean I know why *we* do that. XMPP clients fall back to 5222 if the SRV lookup fails. But no idea why you'd do that for a closed system.
[19:28:21] <vahrein> )) We will definitely come up with something, Not specifically for me, but just in the country
[19:28:55] <Holger> > that default is great because it means you can use XMPP on Airplane wifi for free 😅
Heh yes I heard of that. "Conversations works, except uploading that cat pic from the plane."

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[19:30:09] <vahrein> Then it is still worth using nginx to wrap all the ports on 443, except for calls

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[19:30:48] <Holger> As I tried to say 15 times it should also work for calls, just with a config that's slightly different from the wiki.

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[19:31:13] <Holger> > 2. This is not your immediate issue, but I think TURN clients don't necessarily support ALPN. I'd use a different host name (can be the same IP address) for TURN and let Nginx multiplex by means of SNI.
That way.
[19:31:25] <vahrein> Then it is still worth using nginx to wrap all the ports on 443, except for calls,Then it is still worth using nginx to wrap all the ports on 443, except for calls)

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[19:32:24] <Holger> Also, my knowledge might be outdated. But one or two years ago, libwebrtc didn't do ALPN.
[19:32:40] <vahrein> Ok, Thank you

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[19:37:55] <zoidberg> Honestly i did think that conversations could not do calls with tls(i think i heard that many times from top Nerds). Maybe i misunderstood what they were saying. But yes i now can see the value(am already interested in doing the setup myself).

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[19:40:46] <Licaon_Kter> So that's a 5 year old typo then? https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/index.php?title=Tech_pages/XEP-0368&diff=prev&oldid=13121

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[19:55:47] <Holger> The ecosystem is moving slowly.

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