ejabberd - Wednesday, November 5, 2025

[06:13:47] <stratself> > what probably happened is that i told ejabberd at some point to listen only on that IP where before it was :: or something
yeah :: is listening on all interfaces

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[06:14:11] <stratself> would be nice if ejabberd can listen on _some_ interfaces instead of one or all

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[06:27:13] <chunk> ademir:
>> You can see on my blog where this is missing at the top: https://the8woodcutter.sh/blog
> Your blog is pretty cool
thanks man

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[14:42:15] <stratself> hi all, i'm thinking of hosting the STUN/TURN on another machine. Should I use eturnal instead of ej's TURN server?

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[14:43:59] <Kris> That would be the easiest yes. Or Coturn.
[14:44:01] <zoidberg> If you will host on another machine thats a must

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[14:44:28] <zoidberg> Dont listen to Kris he always drinks too much on wednesday

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[14:44:36] <zoidberg> *eturnal* is a must

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[14:45:36] <zoidberg> I said drink too much, didnt say what...

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[14:50:49] <stratself> might be offtopic for this room, but i'm thinking of hosting it for both matrix and xmpp
[14:51:03] <zoidberg> Eturnal will do the job

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[14:51:45] <zoidberg> Matrix, XMPP, Nextcloud, doesnt matter it works.

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[15:53:58] <stratself> uh

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[15:54:11] <stratself> This person attempted to retract a previous message, but it's unsupported by your client.

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[15:55:42] <stratself> thanks, i'll try to see how to line up config values and secrets
(some network issues made me unable to send messages from ejabberd, it's like my isp wanna stop me from thanking yall)
[15:56:26] <stratself> do you recommend I do *only* TURNS on 443? or should there be a separate TURN port?

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[16:04:10] <Marc> Hi, just to know, is eturnal a standalone version of the ejabberd's STUN/TURN server ?

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[16:04:47] <Licaon_Kter> stratself: no client uses TURNS afaik
[16:04:58] <Licaon_Kter> Marc: yes, the same code

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[16:05:34] <stratself> > stratself: no client uses TURNS afaik
hmm I see. Ejabberd still does `tls: true` though, so there must be some reason

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[16:08:48] <zoidberg> Licaon_Kter: i believe that conversations does. I did test it not long ago.

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[16:09:21] <zoidberg> stratself: and yes, only worth it ig its on 443. Othewise just adds latency with no benefit at all.
[16:09:34] <zoidberg> stratself: and yes, only worth it if its on 443. Othewise just adds latency with no benefit at all.
[16:10:39] <stratself> doesnt Conversation already encrypt calls with SRTP or something like that? then i'll prolly be fine using normal TURN ?
[16:10:52] <zoidberg> Yes
[16:10:52] <Licaon_Kter> TURN relays an encrypted DTLS-SRTP stream anyway

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[16:11:57] <zoidberg> These days, the only real point of offering TURN via TLS is if you run that on port 443, in which case it can help client to circumvent restrictive firewalls. TLS doesn't actually improve security (WebRTC is end-to-end encrypted anyway, and the credentials are ephemeral). The downside of offering multiple transports is that it increases call negotiation latency (as clients test all options during negotiation).(quote from H olger).

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[16:13:01] <stratself> thank you and h.olger.

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[16:13:34] <stratself> i'd like to know where the e2ee part are from. is it part of the jingle spec? the webrtc spec? or simply a default that most clients use?

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[16:15:23] <zoidberg> Above my paygrade, maybe Licaon or others can answer in detail, but basically
> TURN relays an encrypted DTLS-SRTP stream anyway
With the keys shared via OMEMO(if OMEMO is activated).

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[16:16:36] <Licaon_Kter> Using 443 does not mean you need turnS... it's just a port

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[16:56:34] <stratself> > Using 443 does not mean you need turnS... it's just a port
yes i'm aware

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[16:57:10] <stratself> > Using 443 does not mean you need turnS... it's just a port
yes i'm aware, the tls just makes it ubiquitous

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[17:04:25] <proposally> this is probably a long shot... is there a way to make clients use a specific stun/turn combo for same-host calls, and use another turn server for federated calls?
[17:04:52] <proposally> This person attempted to retract a previous message, but it's unsupported by your client.

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[17:09:49] <Licaon_Kter> > This person attempted to retract a previous message, but it's unsupported by your client.
Both of you...

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[20:11:14] <Maïke> isn't turns also good on port 3478? it's a very popular port due to whatsapp

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[20:38:45] <ademir> > isn't turns also good on port 3478? it's a very popular port due to whatsapp
Sorry for my ignorance, but what difference does it make?

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[20:48:59] <nigel_> Guessing it's probably open on more networks due to folks caring if whatsapp works.

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[21:33:53] <Licaon_Kter> Maïke: please use some random ports instead of the defaults, for stun/turn so you don't get scanned a lot

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[21:39:27] <Maïke> probably a good idea but they could be blocked in some places

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[21:56:46] <Licaon_Kter> I'd expect standard ports to be blocked more

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