ejabberd - Sunday, November 9, 2025

[00:15:30] <vanstabholme> Is it possible to set up Ejabberd without a domain? Aka, have it on a direct IP basis?
[00:15:49] <vanstabholme> I could setup DDNS, but it seems like too much work

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[00:35:51] <Kris> Federation will not work that way.

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[00:36:14] <Kris> You are likely better off with an irc server like ergo.chat

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[02:08:13] <vanstabholme> Is there really no way to do that? I really don't want to pay for a domain name

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[02:12:18] <Maïke> ddns services can work too

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[02:13:58] <Kris> You could get an onion address on tor, but then you can only federate within tor.

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[02:14:52] <Kris> But yes ddns does work with some annoying issues related to services on subdomains.

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[02:19:35] <vanstabholme> Is there a tutorial on how to setup Ejabberd with DDNS?

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[02:20:57] <Kris> Ddns is not principally any different from normal dns. Just the gratis offers usually limit the subdomains you can do.
[02:21:00] <arcanicanis> ejabberd wouldn't deal with the DDNS part, you'd just have a client on the same server to inform the DNS host whenever the IP has shuffled around (some domain registrars offer DNS hosting, along with DDNS support built into their offering)

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[02:23:54] <arcanicanis> and some TLDs are much cheaper than others, I see some that renew at like $8/year on Porkbun (effectively <$1/month), unlike some of the newer TLDs that are like $40+/year

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[02:26:11] <arcanicanis> (whereas of course something like .chat, would probably be a mistake, as that's $36.56/year, on one of much cheaper registrars)

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[02:46:52] <zoidberg> I used to pay 4 bucks for renew, but the damn inflation...

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[02:47:27] <arcanicanis> but it also doesn't help with companies like Donuts (or whatever the parent to that is now) just hiking that up long before inflation

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[02:49:01] <arcanicanis> I pay much more in domain registration renewal than hosting now, because of the mistake of going with certain TLDs

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[02:50:32] <zoidberg> Yep, once you are settled its hard to move. Specially with a lot of users.
[02:50:42] <arcanicanis> even crazier is that some TLDs will actually charge a lot more for shorter domain names, as a "premium" domain (not to be confused with squatted domains) under a certain character count

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[02:54:00] <arcanicanis> and yet the "non profit" ICANN is doing another run of the gTLD expansion lottery, expecting bids averagely in the range of millions of dollars, to claim new TLDs
[02:54:06] <zoidberg> but Porkbun these days is not a good choice anymore, they stopped accepting crypto.

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[02:56:25] <arcanicanis> feels like a weird irony when they apparently offer Handshake registrations
[02:57:51] <arcanicanis> Anyway; with the prior conversation: it would be neat if Tor (or I2P etc) became more normalized as a platform to host services on; not solely for being overly privacy concerned, but just for eliminating more complications to hosting something, sidestepping potential censorship roadblocks, etc

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[02:58:51] <arcanicanis> or even to just traverse NAT, as CGNAT is becoming too ubiquitous, with no IPv6 availability, in some of the very mediocre ISPs; thus preventing people from hosting something from their internet connection
[02:58:51] <Kris> > I pay much more in domain registration renewal than hosting now, because of the mistake of going with certain TLDs
The moment they announced these commercial TDLs it was clear that it would end up like that.

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[02:59:59] <arcanicanis> It's almost always been commercial, it just got abused a lot harder and the ICANN doesn't care anymore.

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[03:04:46] <arcanicanis> My initial interest in the gTLD expansion was to devalue the domain reseller market.
e.g. "Cool, you expect $5,000 for acmewidget.net? Then I'll just buy acmewidget.network instead for $15"

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[07:06:50] <stratself> > Is it possible to set up Ejabberd without a domain? Aka, have it on a direct IP basis?
if you _really_ want, you could look into IP-based certs. But I don't think Let's Encrypt is issuing them publicly right now

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[17:02:04] <raver> I have a cheap .it domain

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[17:17:46] <raver> ... And recently my own domain server, serving some subdomains 😁:
```
u0_a308@localhost  ~~  dig xmpp.rimkus.it NS
; <<>> DiG 9.20.15 <<>> xmpp.rimkus.it NS
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 32563
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;xmpp.rimkus.it.                        IN      NS
;; ANSWER SECTION:
xmpp.rimkus.it.         300     IN      NS      dns2.rimkus.it.
xmpp.rimkus.it.         300     IN      NS      dns.rimkus.it.
;; Query time: 108 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) (UDP)
;; WHEN: Sun Nov 09 18:03:19 CET 2025
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 80
```

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[17:18:20] <raver> ... And recently my own dns  server, serving some subdomains 😁:
```
u0_a308@localhost  ~~  dig xmpp.rimkus.it NS
; <<>> DiG 9.20.15 <<>> xmpp.rimkus.it NS
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 32563
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;xmpp.rimkus.it.                        IN      NS
;; ANSWER SECTION:
xmpp.rimkus.it.         300     IN      NS      dns2.rimkus.it.
xmpp.rimkus.it.         300     IN      NS      dns.rimkus.it.
;; Query time: 108 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) (UDP)
;; WHEN: Sun Nov 09 18:03:19 CET 2025
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 80
```

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