ejabberd - Friday, November 14, 2025

[05:07:07] <arcanicanis> I think per most configurations, that it intentionally omits any private IPs from STUN/TURN, as can be configured server-side

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[05:12:35] <arcanicanis> and for use of TURN (where the server relays the traffic, if the two endpoints can't directly talk), it's mentionable that: if the users are on two different XMPP servers, both users will be dependent on whether their respective server provides a TURN server or not, if they need for P2Pish connectivity

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[05:14:33] <stratself> satish: it usually announce all candidates (aka public IPs) to
your peers in order to establish direct connections. If you use a VPN it'll likely announce your VPN's public IP address and some local IPs
[05:15:09] <stratself> *foster, not establish

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[05:15:43] <arcanicanis> STUN filters what candidates are returned though, right?
[05:15:50] <stratself> usually though because of cgnat and firewalls, I think most connections are relayed through TURN
[05:16:02] <stratself> > STUN filters what candidates are returned though, right?
I'm not exactly sure to be honest
[05:16:46] <stratself> what I do know is that Conv recently implemented an "always use relays" function so client-side only reports the relay address to others
[05:17:09] <moparisthebest> clients decide what IPs to advertise

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[05:19:47] <stratself> > what I do know is that Conv recently implemented an "always use relays" function so client-side only reports the relay address to others
https://gultsch.social/@daniel/115486105315708390
[05:20:37] <arcanicanis> ahh, I misread/misassociated then, it's probably with TURN and preventing the TURN server probably from exposing things from it's network, that I was thinking of: https://eturnal.net/doc/#blacklist_peers

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[05:24:48] <stratself> usually though because of cgnat and firewalls, I think most connections are relayed through TURN. But the initial signaling may still reveal a lot of data

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[06:09:18] <zoidberg> Most connections go via STUN
[06:09:48] <zoidberg> 30% maybe via TURN

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[06:10:09] <stratself> i thought stun is only used for signaling purposes

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[06:10:39] <zoidberg> p2p yes

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[06:10:56] <zoidberg> client ask whats my IP
[06:11:00] <zoidberg> Stun answer
[06:11:09] <zoidberg> Client then share with the otherside

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[06:12:27] <zoidberg> the calls that cant connect that way then go via TURN.
[06:12:52] <stratself> right
[06:12:59] <zoidberg> There is also another info worth knowing, TURN is also used to transfer files.
[06:13:08] <stratself> > 30% maybe via TURN
that sounds optimistic

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[06:13:30] <stratself> > There is also another info worth knowing, TURN is also used to transfer files.
i've heard, it's jingle file transfer or something
[06:13:36] <zoidberg> If your file is bigger than the max http file size allowed by the server, conversations will use the turn server to transfer the file.
[06:14:00] <zoidberg> That's a underrated feature IMO.

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[06:14:26] <stratself> do you know how muji works? is it same as ji but with more peers?

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[06:15:19] <zoidberg> Sorry no idea what is that.
[06:15:27] <arcanicanis> I'm assuming https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0272.html

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[06:16:02] <stratself> yeah multisession jingle
[06:16:52] <stratself> > If your file is bigger than the max http file size allowed by the server, conversations will use the turn server to transfer the file.
imo clients should explicitly have both options listed out on sending files rather than follow the server's heuristics

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[06:22:25] <zoidberg> for Nerds maximum configurability is desired, but most humans will get confused.

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[06:25:57] <stratself> but most humans in this chat are nerds 😤
jk though, it's better than some other chat apps, where you have to pay a premium for larger files

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[06:31:33] <arcanicanis> I do have to admit though: I have found a lot more of the actual hobbyist/nerd folks (and not just the people cosplaying as hobbyists) on XMPP and other federated platforms, staunchly compared to things like Discord and such

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[06:33:12] <arcanicanis> It's hilarious that people pay subscriptions _as a user_ for basic features of HTML to be sold right back to them, when one person in the same cost as one subscription could host their own server for friends, for free, with far more permissive limits

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[06:34:34] <arcanicanis> It's hilarious that people pay subscriptions _as a user_ for basic features of HTML to be sold right back to them, when one person in the same cost as one subscription could host their own XMPP server for friends, for free, with far more permissive limits

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[07:41:34] <zeank> Getting an xref warning about `ejabberd_router:route/3` but it doesn't tell what I should be using instead. Any clue?

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[07:42:22] <zeank> Getting an xref warning about `ejabberd_router:route/3` being deprecated but it doesn't tell what I should be using instead. Any clue?

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[08:13:54] <zeank> nvm, I think, I figured it out. Using `ejabberd_router:route/1` now.

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[09:43:39] <stratself> why is `NET_BIND_SERVICE` needed for ejabberd's docker container? It still errors out if I choose to expose only 52xx ports

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[09:44:14] <stratself> why is `cap_add: NET_BIND_SERVICE` needed for ejabberd's docker container? It's still required to not fail the container, even if I choose to expose only 52xx ports

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[09:47:30] <arcanicanis> Is there some built-in ACME client trying to use port 80 or something (as a theory) by default?
[09:48:06] <prefiks> i don't think so

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[10:06:26] <stratself> gonna file an issue then

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[10:32:58] <Neustradamus> badlop: The docker has not been updated, it is normal?
- https://github.com/processone/docker-ejabberd/tags

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[10:49:32] <zeank> I think I'll need help with getting erlydtl to work with ejabberd's build process: https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/actions/runs/19361742200/job/55395113865?pr=4493
I've tried using tag "0.15.0" but then other weird things happen. I think it's because
https://github.com/erlydtl/erlydtl/commit/aae414692b6052e96d890e03bbeeeca0f4dc01c2#diff-427d8ddce21ccc4fae24fb547c7a82c2a793ed57208d8343e519e0aec8119ff7R3
```
{require_otp_vsn, "18"}.
```
doesn't work with the old version of rebar. It treats this as an exact match.
Probably related problem with dialyzer
https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/actions/runs/19361742240/job/55395240954?pr=4493
```
src/mod_invites_http.erl
Line 266 Column 28: Unknown function erlydtl:compile_file/3
Line 281 Column 26: Unknown function erlydtl:compile_template/3
```

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[10:55:05] <badlop> erlydtl has github actions that test it with recent erlang 27, 28 and rebar3 3.25, and they succeed

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[10:58:39] <prefiks> do you getting this error when executing make dialyzer locally?

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[11:03:13] <zeank> Yes as well

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[11:04:34] <zeank> > erlydtl has github actions that test it with recent erlang 27, 28 and rebar3 3.25, and they succeed
I think then I’d have to go with 0.15.0 but this doesn’t come as a pkg (also the version is wrong in the app file then). Anyway. This one doesn’t work with older rebar then.
[11:05:00] <prefiks> hm, could you try editing rebar.config and in dialyzer section add erlydtl to plt_extra_apps and see if this helps?

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[11:10:15] <zeank> This did the trick! A thousand thanks!

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[11:17:43] <badlop> btw, as erlydtl 1.15.0 is tagged in git but not packaged in hex, to reference that one you would need to set ".*":
{erlydtl, ".*", {git, "https://github.com/erlydtl/erlydtl.git", {tag, "0.15.0"}}},

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[11:19:20] <zeank> Yeah I tried that but still got the error from rebar that an OTP version of 18 doesn't match ... 25 or sth

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[11:30:02] <erebion_muc> > I'd expect standard ports to be blocked more
I'd expect everything else to be blocked more, I often see public wifis that block everything except for a couple specific ports.

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[11:30:41] <erebion_muc> I've been asked to enable message editing for chat and couldn't find any docs for that. What are the requirements?

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[11:40:14] <zoidberg> Message editing? You mean message correction?

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[12:07:36] <stratself> you can disable message corrections? thought it's clientside only

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[12:15:47] <Licaon_Kter> You can have your client to reject as such, or to not advertise this support

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[13:18:40] <zoidberg> https://share.conversations.im/zoidberg/message/zCPTQF8WO8QLZ8Un/Q_uC0WioQaWDl9u5-MLptA.jpg

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[13:28:11] <satish> So I can use an internal stun server with a public xmpp server (sites connect to the xmpp over public internet)

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[13:29:12] <zoidberg> what?

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[13:30:49] <satish> Basically for something like audio/ video calls

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[13:31:40] <prefiks> i think it should be possible

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[13:33:46] <zoidberg> i think Atalk(the xmpp client) and maybe others, allow for you to configure your own STUN/TURN server(not requiring the XMPP server then to have one) not sure if thats your question.

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[13:40:27] <zeank> Could anyone please explain this to me? https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/blob/026bd24a566aa36a30652d521b85f50223759df3/src/mod_providers.erl#L197

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[13:40:49] <zeank> badlop, looks like "your" code - but more like just copied from somewhere?
[13:41:46] <badlop> i'm right now reorganizing that function; i'll ping you when finished

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[13:47:48] <zeank> oh no
[13:47:52] <zeank> I just did the same :D

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[13:48:27] <zeank> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/pull/4493/commits/aaf2975170dde1748083b4c0057649e8fe216b75

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[13:49:28] <zeank> think it makes sense to have this on my side since I want to be using it already

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[13:56:24] <badlop> aha, it makes sense to move to ejabberd_http, i'll do so

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[14:16:32] <zeank> Today at 12:17:
> btw, as erlydtl 1.15.0 is tagged in git but not packaged in hex, to reference that one you would need to set ".*":
> {erlydtl, ".*", {git, "https://github.com/erlydtl/erlydtl.git", {tag, "0.15.0"}}},
If I do that, I get
```
===> Package not found in any repo: erlydtl 0.15.0
```

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[14:28:09] <badlop> get_url: try git master, now ejabberd_http exports useful functions

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[14:45:46] <zeank> ok

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[15:10:41] <erebion_muc> > https://share.conversations.im/zoidberg/message/zCPTQF8WO8QLZ8Un/Q_uC0WioQaWDl9u5-MLptA.jpg
Where is that setting found? I've been searching for an hour yesterday and gave up.
[15:10:44] <erebion_muc> >> https://share.conversations.im/zoidberg/message/zCPTQF8WO8QLZ8Un/Q_uC0WioQaWDl9u5-MLptA.jpg
> Where is that setting found? I've been searching for an hour yesterday and gave up.
❤️

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[15:12:31] <stratself> >> https://share.conversations.im/zoidberg/message/zCPTQF8WO8QLZ8Un/Q_uC0WioQaWDl9u5-MLptA.jpg
> Where is that setting found? I've been searching for an hour yesterday and gave up.
Settings > Privacy

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[21:04:18] <erebion_muc> >> Where is that setting found? I've been searching for an hour yesterday and gave up.
> Settings > Privacy
Settings of what?

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