ejabberd - Tuesday, December 9, 2025

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[00:03:11] <Kris> > Anyone here might have an idea what could be the problem here? https://github.com/xmppo/go-xmpp/issues/220
in relation to this, is there something specific that I would need to do enable SASL2-PLAIN? It seems by default with the external authscript Ejabberd only does SASL-PLAIN or so?

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[00:12:49] <Licaon_Kter> Kris: might this be related? https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/3209 how is matterbridge setting the puppet/channel/etc?

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[00:18:50] <Kris> no, in this case it isn't using SASL Anonymous, although that is an option in Matterbridge

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[00:19:45] <Kris> the x-oauth2 problem was go-xmpp side as it would try x-oauth2 if that is offered but without configuring any tokens etc. which of course fails

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[00:20:42] <Kris> ejabberd could consider not offering x-oauth2 by default as this is currently not really supported anywhere and might cause problems like the above

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[00:25:18] <moparisthebest> that's a client problem though right? Good ejabberd made go-xmpp fix their bug I guess :)

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[00:26:48] <Kris> the oauth one, yes
[00:27:21] <Kris> but the bigger issue is that it only connects with SASL1
[00:28:04] <Kris> I am basically wondering why my server doesn't do SASL2-PLAIN at all seemingly

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[00:29:17] <Kris> go-xmpp seems to try that and then ejabberd drops the connection, and only if your force go-xmpp to use sasl1 it succeeds connecting

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[01:07:40] <moparisthebest> millions of programmer hours spent implementing endless forms of authentication and negotiation for said authentication... no use case for anything but PLAIN... they have played us for fools

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[11:00:06] <Kris> is it possible that the external auth script integration in Ejabberd only does SASL1?
[11:00:22] <Kris> apparently with LDAP the issue above isn't there.

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[11:06:22] <prefiks> Kris: sasl2 do filter offered password per passwords type user has access to, maybe there is but in that filtering

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[11:09:34] <prefiks> could you run ejabberdctl debug and in shell that this spawn, execute 'ejabberd_auth:get_password(<<"username">>, <<"server">>).' this will return list of passwords, could you tell me what you see here, is there plain password and also {scram, ....} and if there is scram can you see what sha method are listed in that?
[11:09:59] <prefiks> or do that return empty list?

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[11:10:34] <Kris> do I need to put actual username there?

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[11:11:18] <prefiks> yes, correct user and pass, don't show me what password you are getting, just what kind of things that return

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[11:13:09] <Kris> ok will try now
[11:13:58] <Kris> no, it only returns a plain password
[11:14:18] <prefiks> ok, let me investigate

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[11:22:17] <Kris> I am actually a bit surprised that it stores the pain password, as the script itself only gets the bcrypt hash

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[11:22:53] <Kris> is ejabberd really storing the paintext password in its auth cache?
[11:23:08] <prefiks> do you have multiple auths method setup?
[11:23:29] <Kris> I might have to rethink my use of this feature...
[11:23:40] <Kris> > do you have multiple auths method setup?
no, only external auth script
[11:24:02] <prefiks> call 'ejabberd_auth:get_password_wiht_authmodule(<<"username">>, <<"server">>).'
[11:24:11] <prefiks> to see what module returned plain password

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[11:25:22] <Kris> `** exception error: undefined function ejabberd_auth:get_password_wiht_authmodule/2`
[11:25:35] <Kris> ahh spelling
[11:26:17] <Kris> that retuns the plain password and `ejabberd_auth_external`

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[11:31:40] <prefiks> if you have cache enabled, it may keep info in memory about password that your script accepted last time
[11:31:59] <Kris> yeah, that is what I feared

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[11:32:22] <Kris> but so this command above gets it from the auth cache in memory?
[11:32:30] <prefiks> yes
[11:32:40] <Kris> ok, at least it isn't on the harddrive then

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[11:33:14] <Kris> I guess the same happens with LDAP?
[11:33:52] <prefiks> i think so
[11:33:58] <Kris> 🤔
[11:34:42] <prefiks> doesn't look like ldap backend have method to return passwords directly, so it will work as external script

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[11:52:01] <prefiks> Kris: looking at that go-xmpp ticket you posted, you are getting this error because ejabberd is getting <authenticate xmlns='urn:xmpp:sasl:2' mechanism='PLAIN'>SaslStuff</authenticate>, instead of what ejabberd is expecting to be <authenticate xmlns='urn:xmpp:sasl:2' mechanism='PLAIN'><initial-response>SaslStuff</initial-response></authenticate>

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[11:52:56] <prefiks> we should throw error in that case, but what this lib sends is not correct per xep-0388

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[11:55:28] <Kris> I see. can you post that in the issue please so that the author of the lib knows?
[11:56:02] <prefiks> sure
[11:56:21] <Kris> thanks a lot

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[12:27:09] <marc0s> Licaon_Kter, bear with me if I did some reasoning wrong, but I think there is room for improvement regarding the guessing of MIME types in mod_http_upload/fileserver, so I reopened the issue :) https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/4488#issuecomment-3631971932

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[12:44:37] <Licaon_Kter> marc0s: I'm no dev, hope real ones answer you :)
[12:47:21] <Holger> marc0s, the uploading client specifies a content type. The proper fix would be to store that metadata somewhere.

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[12:48:26] <Holger> Well, the client does that _optionally_.

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[12:49:40] <Holger> The proper fix from an admin perspective would be to leave web things to web servers, in my book 🙂

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[12:51:46] <Holger> Anyway. Initially I kinda wanted to avoid storing metadata. But it's obvious that this should be done.
Once we do that, you could still argue a config option would make sense for the case where the client didn't specify the content-type.
[12:52:05] <Holger> I'm a little hesitant to do the latter because meh. But I guess it's the proper fix yes.
[12:52:36] <zeank> Now you contradict yourself because web servers wouldn’t store the content-type from an upload but deduct it from the file. And that’s what our web server does. In a bad way.

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[12:53:32] <Holger> I think we could teach upload handlers such as <https://github.com/weiss/ngx_http_upload> to store the type.

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[12:54:36] <Holger> And I'd be slightly more motivated to do that, compared to adding yet another hack to our HTTP code. We can add as many hacks as we want, we just won't end up being a proper web server.

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[12:57:24] <Holger> Admittedly, I do see how having services built-in makes the initial setup simpler, which I do see as a real advantage as well. (Others would scream 'just stuff Nginx into your Docker container' but I'm old and think it's meh to _depend_ on container deployment.)

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[12:57:54] <Holger> So, yes, we should add proper content-type handling to mod_http_upload. I'm just grumbling.

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[13:02:04] <marc0s> in order to had that handling, you propose to go the path of: accepting client-provided content-type, if missing, improve the guessing in ejabberd-side?

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[13:02:22] <Holger> I guess so, yeah.
[13:02:38] <Holger> Not sure whether you'd also need a blocklist to avoid security foo, or something.

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[13:03:53] <marc0s> probably, at least we had one customer who asked us to allow uploads based on an extensions allow-list, so I guess there is a use case around that, yeah

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[13:05:19] <marc0s> (not that always customer-requested features makes too much sense but, huh. The very same customer asked us to limit file name length 😂)

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[13:05:34] <Holger> For MS-DOS clients?

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[13:08:48] <marc0s> I really do not know and did not want to ask 😅

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[19:32:44] <Kris> if you want an totally over-engineered http_upload component there is always: https://git.uuxo.net/uuxo/hmac-file-server.git

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[20:06:36] <ChaosKid42> This one also stores the content-type sent by the client:
https://github.com/horazont/xmpp-http-upload

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[20:22:21] <Kris> that's so long abandoned that I would probably not used that anymore
[20:23:18] <Kris> the libervia project also has an interesting http_upload component that allows people to manage their uploaded files with ad-hoc commands

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[23:29:24] <Kris> > Kris: looking at that go-xmpp ticket you posted, you are getting this error because ejabberd is getting <authenticate xmlns='urn:xmpp:sasl:2' mechanism='PLAIN'>SaslStuff</authenticate>, instead of what ejabberd is expecting to be <authenticate xmlns='urn:xmpp:sasl:2' mechanism='PLAIN'><initial-response>SaslStuff</initial-response></authenticate>
Quite a journey here, so after that was fixed it still doesn't properly join channels: https://github.com/xmppo/go-xmpp/issues/222

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[23:30:31] <Kris> it is indeed possible that the binding to a resource is required in Ejabberd? Apparently Prosody is fine with the connection as is.

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