ejabberd - Monday, January 12, 2026

[08:36:20] <prefiks> it really doesn't, it searches paths listed in certs: option, and load them to memory at start, you need to call ejabberdctl reload_config for it to resync certs on disk to it's in memory copy

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[08:43:05] <jak2k> But it has acquired cert via acme. How do I get that cert? (I need it for my script that sets the DANE records in powerdns.)

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[09:02:22] <prefiks> possibly ejabberdctl list_certificates may give you that?

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[09:43:06] <jak2k> Than you! That worked!

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[09:43:12] <jak2k> Thank you! That worked!

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[13:24:04] <StepForward> Will s2s work with ip address only installation and self-signed certs?
[13:24:43] <StepForward> I mean federation with other servers.

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[13:33:22] <MattJ> That depends on the policy/configuration of the other servers, mostly

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[13:43:40] <StepForward> Ok. In Prosody it is 's2s_insecure_domains' and dialback will be used. In ejabberd?

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[13:45:12] <MattJ> https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod_s2s_dialback

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[13:52:27] <StepForward> > https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/#mod_s2s_dialback
It says DNS only my installation is ip only:
"server identity verification based on DNS."

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[13:54:16] <StepForward> Can i use ip address here?
[13:54:35] <prefiks> maybe, you will need to test it

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[13:56:44] <StepForward> At least in theory communication still will be encrypted by my self-signed TLS certificate?

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[13:57:02] <prefiks> i thin so

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[14:05:02] <StepForward> > i thin so
Does logs show how s2s connection happens?
[14:05:12] <StepForward> > i thin so
Do logs show how s2s connection happens?

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[14:05:58] <Licaon_Kter> Yes, loglevel 4 or INFO
[14:06:23] <StepForward> I mean TLS and cipher?

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[14:07:27] <StepForward> Like 'connected using TLS1.3 and AES128SHA256'?
[14:07:53] <prefiks> no

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[14:28:39] <StepForward> Regarding dialback and TLS. As far as i understood connection will happen without verification that cert is correct. So manual additional verification like with clients will be helpful.

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[14:31:27] <Licaon_Kter> StepForward: If it's expired? I doubt it
[14:32:05] <StepForward> It is self-signed.

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[14:40:00] <StepForward> Even if the cert were expired connection still would be kind of verified.

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[14:53:05] <StepForward> I think ejabberd needs this as well for secure and verified s2s communication by ip address only:
Mon 12 Jan 2026 09:30:16 AM - MattJ: https://modules.prosody.im/mod_s2s_auth_fingerprint should work for that

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[14:53:41] <StepForward> I think ejabberd needs this as well for secure and verified s2s communication by ip address only:
This is from Prosody:
"Mon 12 Jan 2026 09:30:16 AM - MattJ: https://modules.prosody.im/mod_s2s_auth_fingerprint should work for that"

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[14:54:37] <StepForward> I think ejabberd needs this as well for secure and verified s2s communication by ip address only with self-signed only certs:
This is from Prosody:
"Mon 12 Jan 2026 09:30:16 AM - MattJ: https://modules.prosody.im/mod_s2s_auth_fingerprint should work for that"

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[14:54:50] <StepForward> I think ejabberd needs this as well for secure and verified s2s communication by ip address only with self-signed certs:
This is from Prosody:
"Mon 12 Jan 2026 09:30:16 AM - MattJ: https://modules.prosody.im/mod_s2s_auth_fingerprint should work for that"

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[15:02:30] <erebion_muc> >> Didn't expect the following to not support IPv6:
>>
>> conversations.im
>> disroot.org
>> joinjabber.org
> we (joinjabber.org) recently moved server and IPv6 is a work in progress
Good to know it's only temporary

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[15:03:47] <erebion_muc> > Will s2s work with ip address only installation and self-signed certs?
Maybe, but my servers wouldn't allow it. I only federate with proper setups that have sone security.

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[15:05:08] <erebion_muc> > Regarding dialback and TLS. As far as i understood connection will happen without verification that cert is correct. So manual additional verification like with clients will be helpful.
A lot of the servers have already phased out dialback and verift certificates nowadays, so you might not be able to contact every server you might want to contact.

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[15:06:09] <erebion_muc> > Even if the cert were expired connection still would be kind of verified.
There is a reason certificates expire...

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[15:14:20] <StepForward> > There is a reason certificates expire...
For self-signed certificates expiration is secondary, fingerprint is more important.
[15:14:43] <Licaon_Kter> imho, if I need to enable dialback for your server, you need to fix it :)
[15:16:13] <StepForward> I see using third party for the cert verification as a security risk.

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[15:16:33] <StepForward> I see using third party authority for the cert verification as a security risk.

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[15:19:46] <erebion_muc> hahahaha, lol

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[15:20:37] <erebion_muc> Sure, the security infrastructure that has been built up over decades is risk now instead of mitigating a lot of risks /s
[15:20:59] <erebion_muc> I'm really glad projects like Lets Encrypt exist.
[15:21:13] <erebion_muc> It's previously been much worse.

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[15:43:48] <StepForward> > I'm really glad projects like Lets Encrypt exist.
2011 - DigiNotar, Private root key stolen
2015 - Symantec, Mis‑issuance of thousands of certificates
2020 - a bug in Lets Encrypt caused duplicate certs.
2022 - Improper issuance of certificates

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[15:46:25] <StepForward> > I'm really glad projects like Lets Encrypt exist.
2011 - DigiNotar, Private root key stolen
2015 - Symantec, Mis‑issuance of thousands of certificates
2020 - a bug in Lets Encrypt caused duplicate certs.
2022 - Sectigo, Improper issuance of certificates

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[15:49:12] <Licaon_Kter> Vs how many billions of valid certs? At most those cases show a working system

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[16:04:13] <StepForward> I am not against CA but let's say that not cases are known?
[16:04:32] <StepForward> I am not against CA but let's say that not all the cases are known?

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[16:07:20] <moparisthebest> then you want DANE not manually whitelisting keys

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[16:11:17] <StepForward> OK. I have spoken :)

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[20:14:22] <erebion_muc> How do I make ejabberd use DANE for s2s? Cannot find that in the dogs.

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[20:35:50] <erebion_muc> How do I make ejabberd use DANE for s2s? Cannot find that in the docs.

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