ejabberd - Monday, February 2, 2026

[09:14:20] <Holger> Rohan, `push.domain.com` is responding to ejabberd's push notification with `service-unavailable (cancel)`, which disables the push subscription because it's a permanent error. So it's really a question for the `push.domain.com` operator.

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[09:15:13] <Holger> I've seen push proxies rejecting "floods" of notifications with temporary errors, but that would be a different error.

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[11:39:42] <erebion_muc> > im a bit confused by this message atm, not sure how to debug this issue
Does the log say anything else other than "failed to request certificate"? (This seems like an issue with ACME, if you've not set that stuff up you can just disable ACME for now until you're ready)

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[13:00:47] <prefiks> badlop, Holger: let's see what propositions we have for occupantid fixes

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[13:00:56] <Holger> badlop, I wouldn't revert to deriving secrets from the Erlang cookie.

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[13:01:22] <prefiks> we can try to fix current mnesia storage
[13:01:38] <Holger> For several reasons, but mostly because of the risk of loosing the cookie (e.g. when moving the ejabberd instance to a new box).
[13:02:06] <Holger> badlop, I mean that was the initial solution and that lead to <https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/3397#issuecomment-1662791270>, right?
[13:02:07] <prefiks> trying to use erlang cookie for that, or create salt on room creation and keeping it in room config when storing it on disc
[13:02:41] <Holger> Is there any downside in storing the salt in the room config? Sounds like the obvious/correct place to me.

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[13:03:10] <Holger> I mean, this is a persistent per-room secret. So why not store it persistently with the room data?

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[13:04:35] <marc0s> is there any function I can use from the remote shell to list the loaded modules per host? I am trying to debug some modules that are not loaded into all hosts, but only in a subset (as per the logs, but no error is shown) and I want to try to confirm it

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[13:05:31] <prefiks> marc0s: gen_mod:loaded_modules(Host)

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[13:08:49] <prefiks> i also think storing salt in room config is the way to go, i don't think it's worth having separate table just for that single bit of information, and indeed cookie, unless you are having cluster, is probably not something that people are aware, and probably don't know where that info is stored
[13:09:48] <prefiks> so having it's value change how ejabberd work may be problem

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[13:12:26] <prefiks> also i see some benefits with moving occupant id processing in mod_muc_room, we could keep calculated hashes directly in users state field, which will simplify processing
[13:12:52] <prefiks> you wouldn't be able to remove occupand id anymore, but not sure if this is an issue

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[13:14:30] <MattJ> It's built-in in Prosody for some years now, and we've had no complaints

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[13:15:04] <Holger> Built-in as opposed to a seperate module?

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[13:15:27] <Holger> If Prosody doesn't move it into a separate module, that gotta mean something 😀
[13:15:52] <MattJ> :D
[13:16:15] <MattJ> Yes, it always amuses me that ejabberd has it separated and Prosody doesn't... for once
[13:16:25] <MattJ> It's just part of mod_muc in Prosody

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[15:23:20] <badlop> when xep 421 was first implemented in 2023, that xep was v0.1.0

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[15:23:38] <badlop> then i prefered to place code in separate module and separate storage as much as possible

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[15:23:58] <badlop> that way, whatever happened to the XEP (heavily modified, discarded, problematic), our corresponding code would not affect mod_muc, including no requirement to change tables schemas or tables content

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[15:24:26] <badlop> now that the XEP is 1.0.1, if it has proven being useful, then those early decisions can be reconsidered, like moving source code and storage methods to the main mod_muc modules

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[15:24:59] <prefiks> one problem would be migrating data from mnesia tables
[15:25:32] <prefiks> or do you think having break point on upgrade would be ok?

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[15:49:45] <Holger> prefiks, it's a RAM table, no?

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[15:49:58] <Holger> So currently it's lost on each restart anyway.

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[15:50:08] <prefiks> oh, didn't catch that

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[15:50:17] <Holger> Plus it's a domain-wide secret which is bad as well.

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[15:50:24] <Holger> So yes it _should_ break.

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[15:50:48] <Holger> badlop, shall I suggest a patch?
[15:51:14] <prefiks> so i more or less have implementation for that if someone want to test
[15:51:20] <badlop> i have almost ready a few patches, wait and see if they solve it

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[15:51:45] <Holger> Hah 😀 I was worried we'd come up with three (or zero) patches 😀
[15:52:35] <badlop> mine are just to fix current code; prefiks will probably bring new ideas
[15:52:59] <prefiks> yes, i moved salt/occupant it to mod_muc_room

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[16:01:57] <badlop> ok, i've committed fixes for current implementation
[16:02:33] <badlop> prefiks: is your new implementation in your fork or somewhere?
[16:02:49] <prefiks> in a sec

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[16:03:59] <prefiks> https://github.com/prefiks/ejabberd/tree/push-pysztlspurrm

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[16:11:09] <prefiks> or https://github.com/prefiks/ejabberd/tree/occupant-id-in-mod-muc-room, have a fix to spec

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[16:35:52] <badlop> looks really nice, will continue trying tomorrow

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