ejabberd - Monday, March 23, 2026

[03:23:16] <ksa> I'm experiencing policy violation error coz conversations keeps reconnecting. This only happens when the account I'm using is in more than 10 MUCs. What could be causing this? My conversations.im account doesn't have this problem.

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[03:24:36] <ksa> Gajim does the same

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[03:25:45] <stratself> hmm
[03:25:55] <stratself> increase the stream management max ack queue
[03:26:07] <stratself> iirc that is the cause

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[03:26:46] <ksa> > increase the stream management max ack queue
In nginx config?
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[03:27:52] <ksa> Ok

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[03:49:39] <ksa> https://avesdrop-user-media.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/3d358a32d9e5f95da236b8585d3259020ab4632e/55bmAFcwSLn3JgX9AxFK/41c142df-3484-49a9-a8d8-16695b81e11e.png
[03:49:43] <ksa> Is this the same, I don't have max ack queue in my config file. Or should I add max ack queue?

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[03:51:27] <ksa> The docs kinda mention both option's ability as the same
[03:52:11] <zoidberg> how many devices connected to the same acc?
[03:52:31] <ksa> 2 at most for now

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[03:55:33] <zoidberg> policy violation can mean many things, you should set it to debug and do some log reading.
[03:56:12] <ksa> Yes, the logs mention too many connect retries as the reason
[03:56:36] <zoidberg> Any of your 2 clients with the wrong password?

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[03:57:00] <zoidberg> Check your 2 clients, see if one is not connecting
[03:57:16] <ksa> And this only happens when I'm in more than 10 or so MUCs. So maybe it's logical that offline messages or message syncing is the reason

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[03:57:54] <ksa> Nope, both clients have the right passwd and they can connect at the same time
[03:58:07] <zoidberg> this more than 10 MUCs makes no sense(to me) most people here are in more than 10 MUCs
[03:58:25] <zoidberg> Tell me one thing

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[03:58:33] <ksa> shoot
[03:58:36] <zoidberg> Did you clone the same client?
[03:58:47] <zoidberg> Are they both using the same resource?

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[03:59:11] <ksa> nope, they show up as different online users in ejabberd web admin
[03:59:21] <ksa> resource field is also different
[03:59:28] <zoidberg> Different users?
[04:00:16] <ksa> yes, instead of 2 online users I see 3. 2 of my clients and 1 of someone else beong online
[04:00:32] <ksa> yes, instead of 2 online users I see 3. 2 of my clients and 1 of someone else being online

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[04:03:13] <zoidberg> no idea, you gotta really do a deep dive on your logs, intriguing. But cant guess your way out of this.

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[04:09:36] <ksa> Sure

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[04:10:12] <yukkuri> for S2S MUC’s; I just need to add the SRV .conference record, correct?
[04:10:18] <yukkuri> no need for an A record?
[04:11:07] <zoidberg> yukkuri: if you run on the default port there is no need for SRV records
[04:11:26] <zoidberg> yukkuri: if you run on the default port there is no need for SRV records at all.
[04:11:54] <zoidberg> You do need conference.example.com on your certs though...
[04:12:01] <yukkuri> aha
[04:12:12] <yukkuri> however, i believe I wildcard my certs

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[04:13:28] <zoidberg> wildcards will do the job(if done right).

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[04:14:24] <yukkuri> yeah the whole XMPP is under a subdomain, so I know that’s working alright
[04:14:49] <yukkuri> could be something with his client then; it is a nonstandard port, and I do have the proper SRV
[04:15:07] <zoidberg> So example. A wildcard for example.com will work for anything.example.com
[04:15:30] <zoidberg> But will not work fro conference.anything.example.com

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[04:17:36] <yukkuri> hmm, well my XMPP is behind xmpp.example.com; i have the xmpp-client SRV for that. now inside the client, it reports conferences as being at conference.example.com; i hope that his client wouldn’t be trying to resolve conference.example.com -> conference.xmpp.example.com, and that’s causing the failure
[04:18:10] <yukkuri> he just says it’s telling him “the domain has no conference"

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[04:19:50] <eltheanine_> Specify the full domain in the module.
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[04:37:42] <yukkuri> aha i see what’s happening
[04:38:07] <stratself> did you set up dns for conference.example.com
[04:38:19] <yukkuri> “inbound EXTERNAL authentication failed …: unable to get local certificate”
[04:38:19] <stratself> including SRV
[04:38:47] <yukkuri> “failed inbound S2S EXTERNAL authentication …: unable to get local certificate”
[04:39:29] <yukkuri> is he just lacking TLS?

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[04:41:15] <stratself> did you set up tls for conference.example.com
[04:41:37] <stratself> ksa, https://docs.ejabberd.im/admin/configuration/modules/?h=max_ack#mod_stream_mgmt

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[04:45:23] <stratself> there should also be a "too many unacked stanza" log error too https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/2615
if not it may be a different issue
[04:45:58] <ksa> thx stratself,
[04:46:40] <stratself> > did you set up tls for conference.example.com
yukkuri
[04:47:11] <ksa> I guess the problem is solved, the real test will be when I reopen my laptop hours later and let Gajim sync.
[04:47:12] <yukkuri> indeed

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[04:53:11] <ksa> Is there a cooldown option for users who spam? Like sending an image every 5 seconds should not be allowed.

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[06:15:41] <zoidberg> Well some people take a lot of photos, then when there is free time upload them all at once.

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[06:16:14] <zoidberg> If you detect someone who you think its a spammer, just get rid of the acc

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[06:18:50] <ksa> Good idea, thx

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[09:58:07] <yann-kaelig> Hello
[09:59:30] <yann-kaelig> I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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[10:00:37] <yann-kaelig> Take a look at the screenshots here and tell me https://github.com/processone/fluux-messenger?tab=readme-ov-file#-screenshots

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[10:01:32] <Mickaël> What’s the issue ?

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[10:01:41] <yann-kaelig> LoL

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[10:02:10] <Mickaël> Ok
[10:02:14] <yann-kaelig> So that was not a joke, it's real
[10:02:38] <yann-kaelig> What do you see ?
[10:02:43] <Mickaël> I like the smell of the troll on the monday morning

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[10:02:52] <Mickaël> > ejabberd@conference.process-one.net/Mickaël wrote:
> Ok
😂
[10:02:57] <Licaon_Kter> yann-kaelig: just say what you want to say ffs.p.
[10:03:01] <Licaon_Kter> yann-kaelig: just say what you want to say ffs
[10:03:15] <yann-kaelig> Look at your screenshots, seriously open your mind and eyes

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[10:04:00] <yann-kaelig> What can I do with blurry screenshots ?

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[10:06:06] <yann-kaelig> Can't you create for example accounts for this purpose and take screenshots normally like everyone else?

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[10:08:03] <Mickaël> Maybe if asked politely :)
[10:08:36] <Mickaël> I wrote a demo mode last week to take screenshotso it will happen when we get the time to update the screenshots

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[10:10:22] <yann-kaelig> I didn't ask for anything in the first place; I'm just showing you your own work.

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[10:11:20] <yann-kaelig> I defend free software, you neglect it.
[10:11:40] <yann-kaelig> free/libre

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[10:18:18] <Marzanna> Hello. Is it possible to create a shared ldap roster with contacts in one particular group? I tried this configuration https://bin.disroot.org/?afc504885e088269#25Y1irw16G1nGc5m9aVb2jsVobj8UUbrVUQopAkKAYot
But it doesn't work:
[debug] <0.650.0>@eldap:recvd_packet/2:836 {searchResDone,{'LDAPResult',success,<<>>,<<>>,asn1_NOVALUE}}
Although I see this group in SearchResultEntry in logs
What am I missing? Or how do I debug it deeper?
[10:18:37] <Mickaël> > ejabberd@conference.process-one.net/yann-kaelig wrote:
> I defend free software, you neglect it.
😂

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[12:23:54] <rom1dep> is it me or is the doc at https://www.process-one.net/blog/how-to-set-up-ejabberd-video-voice-calling/ missing the listener section for 3478+tcp?

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[12:28:15] <Holger> rom1dep: I'd recommend against adding one.

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[12:29:31] <Marzanna> Hmm, if I change LDAP filter to get user accounts I see them all in SearchResultEntry but I get odd error: https://bin.disroot.org/?839c4a696634901e#9EmgVrWYg3Z3qDrN4pjcBozPTVjPm5L9cG2BUAuaacab
mod_shared_roster_ldap_gmail.com? I don't get it

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[12:29:57] <Holger> rom1dep: I'd also recommend against TURN via TLS *unless* it's listening on port 443 (in that latter case it serves the purpose of supporting clients behind restrictive firewalls, otherwise it just adds call negotiantion latency for no purpose).
[12:30:03] <rom1dep> Holger: ok, irrespective of the reasons, doesn't it make the doc inconsistent with reference to 3478+tcp in the DNS section?

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[12:30:28] <Holger> rom1dep: In any case I'd recommend against STUN via TLS (makes no sense at all, and isn't even supported by clients).

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[12:30:44] <Holger> rom1dep: Yes if you ask me personally I'd recommend against publishing that article :D

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[12:31:20] <Holger> Our example config is fine.

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[12:31:31] <rom1dep> Holger: haha, fair enough. I was just looking for a recommendable source for config
[12:31:40] <Holger> The DNS section is nonsense.
[12:31:47] <Holger> Yes :-/

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[12:32:35] <Holger> I mentioned all that (e.g. that DNS is no longer used for discovery) to the author back in 2020, reasoning was along the lines of "well doesn't hurt".
[12:32:46] <rom1dep> > Our example config is fine.
only problem I have with that is that it needs to be matched with a DNS config for SRV records, I don't think abusing ejabberd.yml comments is a good place for that

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[12:33:23] <Holger> Don't add SRV records. Serves no purpose except maybe attrackting script kiddies.

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[12:34:02] <rom1dep> on the basis that mod_stun_disco supersedes it?
[12:34:02] <Holger> My response was along the lines of "well if rom1dep reads that article in 2026 it might be bad advice" but for some weird reason the world doesn't understand that I'm always right.
[12:34:08] <Holger> rom1dep: Yes.

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[12:35:22] <rom1dep> but that same page advertises stuns and turns, so it's also not great?

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[12:35:39] <Holger> As I said.
[12:35:48] <Holger> STUNS is nonsense.

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[12:36:13] <Holger> TURNS *can* make sense to support clients behind firewalls that allow TLS over 443 but nothing else. If and only if you offer TURNS on 443.

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[12:37:02] <Holger> Offering more options comes with a cost as it adds call negotiation latency (all options are negotiated before the peer's phone even rings). So I wouldn't add options just because we can.

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[12:37:30] <Holger> TLS over 443 might be worth it. Otherwise, offer UDP (on some non-standard port) and call it a day.

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[12:38:38] <Holger> I mean UDP should be offered either way. TLS on 443 *can* be added as a fallback.
[12:38:38] <Holger> Unencrypted TCP makes no sense.
[12:38:38] <rom1dep> ehh, don't shoot the messenger, I'm not arguing with you :-) just trying to figure-out something that makes sense

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[12:38:56] <Holger> Sorry I wasn't mean to be shooting :D

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[12:39:26] <rom1dep> since I'm not sure sslh can match that, I'll just skip the 443 multiplexing part
[12:39:38] <Holger> Yeah.

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[12:40:31] <Holger> Multiplexing TURNS has the additional hassle compared to HTTPS/XMPPS that TURN clients don't necessarily do ALPN. But it _can_ be done via SNI, which I think they all do these days.
[12:41:11] <Holger> But starting with an UDP-only setup is a good idea, you can still thing about TURNS@443 later on a boring weekend.

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[12:42:52] <zoidberg> > but for some weird reason the world doesn't understand that I'm always right.
We got something in common after all!

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[12:51:33] <rom1dep> Holger, so, did I get it right in the end?
https://cryptpad.fr/doc/#/2/doc/edit/tm3tA+lK6xVqW5MZQ2PXbNO1/

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[13:11:58] <Holger> rom1dep: Well as I said personally I'd recommend against TURNS on 5349.
[13:12:16] <Holger> rom1dep: And for the internal ejabberd_stun service, you can just specify `mod_stun_disco: {}`.

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[13:12:31] <Holger> rom1dep: Basically I'd recommend our example config (else I'd change the example) :-)

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[13:12:52] <rom1dep> just removed tls on 5349
[13:12:54] <rom1dep> thanks!

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[13:13:38] <Holger> rom1dep: Your turn_min/max_port settings are the defaults, nothing wrong with making them explicit of course.

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[13:15:27] <Holger> The #1 thing users stumble over during the initial TURN setup is that the min/max port range must be accessible via UDP on the turn_ipv4_address. I.e. if there's a packet filter in front of ejabberd, this UDP port range must be opened; if there's some kind of NAT or other network complications in front of ejabberd, it can become complicated.

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[17:18:31] <dwd> Holger, Choosing to run TURN behind a NAT is quite the concept.

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[17:22:24] <zoidberg> I do that...
[17:24:23] <dwd> zoidberg, I mean, it's possible, of course, but running NAT traversal services behind a NAT is at best ironic.

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[17:29:16] <zoidberg> yeah, i heard that before, from Guus and other nerds for various reasons. But my experience from running it for many years convinced me that some theories dont convert into reality(what i am trying to say is i keep a close eye on my servers and AFAIK nothing bad ever happened). With all due respect that you surely do deserve of course.👍

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[18:06:21] <Holger> The eturnal container ships with a STUN client to let the server discover its public address.
[18:06:31] <Holger> What's missing is a TURN client.

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[20:02:42] <Vixi> can i have turns on a port other than 443 and reverse proxy to it?

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[20:05:40] <moparisthebest> unfortunately I think 0 clients currently support turns so it literally doesn't matter

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[20:07:38] <Holger> moparisthebest: Hmm? TURNS is widely supported.

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[20:08:20] <Holger> Vixi: You can port-forward yes.

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[20:09:05] <moparisthebest> turn over tls right? didn't think anything supported it yet, when did that change?

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[20:10:22] <Holger> Yes TURN over TLS. I don't remember stumbling over clients that don't support it?
[20:10:28] <Holger> Was a thing 20 years ago.
[20:11:20] <Holger> Google's libwebrtc (i.e. one of the most widespread implementations today) certainly supports it.

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[20:13:38] <moparisthebest> I swear google's libwebrtc specifically did not as of at least 2020, but it's also possible I'm just losing my mind

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[20:16:27] <Holger> I'm sure it did once Conversations started using it, not entirely sure about the time before.

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[20:17:03] <Holger> But traditionally it definitely was a thing. E.g. with Jitsi Desktop back in the old days.
[20:17:06] <moparisthebest> ah here's you saying it won't work for LE certs in 2021 lol https://github.com/coturn/coturn/issues/247#issuecomment-776663036

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[20:17:40] <Holger> Because back then you'd usually use your regular account creds for TURN auth so it made sense to protect them.

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[20:18:41] <Holger> > ah here's you saying it won't work for LE certs in 2021 lol
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Yes if the client insisted on valid certs. Conversations and others don't, but some browsers do.
[20:19:03] <Holger> Obviously makes no sense if TLS is just about circumventing firewalls.

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[20:27:33] <raver> Holger: wouldn't it be better then to enable turns / stuns on my eturnal to protect the credentials against possible MITM and then abusing my eturnal server?

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[20:34:47] <Holger> raver: These days, we use ephemeral credentials.
[20:35:06] <Holger> So the worst that can happen is that the attacker can use your TURN service for a few hours.
[20:35:45] <raver> I see, even if I have a static `secret` ?

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[20:36:02] <raver> I see, even if I have a static `secret` in `eturnal.yml`
[20:36:05] <Holger> Yes, that's used for driving those temporary credentials.
[20:36:14] <raver> > Yes, that's used for driving those temporary credentials.
👍
[20:36:19] <raver> Thanks😊
[20:36:34] <Holger> The point of that mechanism is precisely to avoid having to use the proper account credentials.
[20:37:16] <Holger> And the downside of TLS is possibly very noticable lag/jitter/latency during A/V calls. RTC was really designed with UDP transport in mind.
[20:37:49] <raver> So even when capturing traffic you won't get a door in as the `secret` is only a salt for three derived used password to eturnal right?

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[20:38:10] <Holger> Right.
[20:38:11] <raver> So even when capturing traffic you won't get a door in as the `secret` is only a salt for the derived used password to eturnal right?
[20:38:27] <raver> Thanks for clarification🫂

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[20:50:43] <Vixi> how can i test tgat ejabberd can connect to the turns server?
[20:52:03] <Vixi> nctalk can connect if i put https:// in the hostname and i leave out the port

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[20:54:49] <raver> Vixi: I use https://icetest.info/ to test the functionality of eturnal, but haven't found a way to test reliable if ejabberd can use it. I simply "trust" that it's working when I then add my eturnal host into `mod_stun_disco` 😊
[20:55:04] <raver> Vixi: I use https://icetest.info/ to test the functionality of eturnal, but haven't found a way to test if ejabberd can use it. I simply "trust" that it's working when I then add my eturnal host into `mod_stun_disco` 😊
[20:55:30] <Vixi> that doesnt have a turns option

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[20:56:39] <Vixi> another ice testing site couldn't connect to turns no matter how i formatted it

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[21:02:09] <Vixi> maybe i haven't reverse proxied it correctly
[21:02:27] <raver> This is the other one I've used: https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/peerconnection/trickle-ice/ there you could try `turns:example.org:3478`

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[21:10:55] <Vixi> works there without https:// and adding :443
[21:11:57] <Vixi> dunno if that means ehabberd will work with though since nc talk required i add https:// instead and a different ice test couldn't connect no matter how i formatted it

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[21:37:00] <Vixi> i commented out udp turn on ejabberd and i was able to call myself from an account ona different server and isp

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[21:40:27] <Vixi> eturnal logs show it was a turn over udp request. I guess commenting it out in ejabberd doesn't work

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[21:47:58] <Holger> Vixi: Recent Conversations versions allow for enforcing TURN usage. Enable that on both sides and check whether calls work.

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[21:48:52] <Holger> Trickle ICE & friends only test the setup partly.

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[21:51:28] <Vixi> the always use relays option?
[21:52:12] <Holger> Yes.
[21:52:35] <Vixi> that doesn't let me force turns instead of turn

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[21:54:25] <Vixi> if I try setting an invalid ip address for turn then it cant connect a call and nothing shows in the logs for trying turns

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[22:07:52] <Vixi> nctalk actually just deletes the https:// in the config, so I think when it says it's working that's because it's using the default port
[22:08:16] <Vixi> instead of 443

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[22:15:20] <Vixi> looks like I need to add "proxy_protocol: true" in the eturnal config

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[22:42:31] <Vixi> that still hasn't fixed it

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[23:12:36] <Holger> > that doesn't let me force turns instead of turn
No, you'd simply enforce that by removing non-TLS from the mod_stun_disco services (and eturnal, to be sure).
[23:13:22] <Holger> > looks like I need to add "proxy_protocol: true" in the eturnal config
No, don't do that unless you're using HAproxy or something compatible.
[23:14:22] <Holger> I have no idea how nctalk works and am confused by you mentioning https:// stuff. TURN has nothing to do with HTTP. I can only try to help with ejabberd + eturnal.
[23:16:09] <Holger> You could show the relevant mod_stun_disco config (with an obfuscated secret) to begin with.

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