ejabberd - Sunday, April 19, 2026

[07:07:15] <zeank> When I use „Create Room“ from the web-admin panel, and I don’t set any extra options, then the room just disappears within some seconds (my guess is, that’s because it’s not persistent and there’s no one in it). Is this intended? Or am I doing something wrong?
[07:09:39] <zeank> Another thing: when I manually add someone to somebody’s roster (via web-admin again), then a) I have to fill in all the values, can’t leave nick or group empty (that’s odd because that’s not required by the RFC) and b) if this is a local user, shouldn’t they also have the other jid be added on their end (for convenience, at least there should be that option, like a checkbox)
[07:10:32] <zoidberg> zeank: i asked the same question
[07:10:51] <zoidberg> and you can click the bold area above, that will pop some details
[07:11:22] <zoidberg> IIRC you can like put a "," instead or something like that.
[07:12:01] <zoidberg> > if you want to set "empty list of groups", that is no group, then in WebAdmin fill a comma, just a comma, in the field Groups: ,

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[07:12:27] <zeank> Yeah well, that’s not something you can expect someone to know

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[07:14:46] <zeank> Maybe best to create an issue then

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[07:17:26] <zoidberg> Well for me the problem was solved when i learned it. But yes i would tend to agree that should be automatically or something. At first i did feel a bit silly of me, but since even you got lost there then well...
[07:20:34] <zeank> Can you have a , as nickname as well and will it result in an empty nickname? I doubt that.

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[13:53:52] <badlop> > „Create Room“ and I don’t set any extra options, then the room just disappears
Right, the same happens if you join a new room and then leave it: by default rooms are temporary, and are destroyed when there is no occupant.
Solution: create the room with options [{persistent, true}], or set persistent: true in mod_muc default_room_options

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[15:02:39] <zeank> Yeah. Sure. But when I do it from the admin interface there’s no one joining that moment. It should probably be default to make those rooms persistent or just remove the function altogether since it makes no sense and gives people headaches.

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[15:04:26] <zeank> Or maybe add a comment saying „you must have default_room_options with persistent: true for this to work.“

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[15:05:06] <badlop> right, adding a comment is easy and useful

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[15:07:58] <zeank> Or we make it so that rooms that no one has ever joined don‘t get cleaned up. If that’s possible.

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[15:08:58] <zeank> The way it’s right now it’s not just useless, it’s very frustrating. People won’t understand what’s going on.
But yeah, a comment is the least we should do.

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[15:10:52] <zeank> Or maybe don’t clean up rooms that have just been created. There’s this other open issue about created_at, if that was some actual timestamp we could let rooms live for at least ten minutes or so. Then you get a chance to join with a user after creating it.
Would still need a comment explaining this behavior.

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[15:13:23] <badlop> probably the same for invites action_table surprising behavior: explain what is going on; and maybe in the future, if it's really important and useful, modify the implementation

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[15:18:34] <zeank> Yeah well but where would you explain what and how?

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[15:19:56] <zeank> Just to put the result of the command somewhere is consistent with the rest, I get that, but bad UX. It doesn’t tell you anything if there’s „[ok,ok,…]“ somewhere on that page.

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[15:20:54] <zeank> If it was a modern UI, talking to an API endpoint, we could highlight the entries that the command was executed on. Or make them disappear with an effect in case of delete.

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[15:22:20] <zeank> We could write sth like „Sucessfully executed commend <command>“. Or „Error executing command <command>: <error>“ in case of an error.

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[15:22:55] <zeank> We could write sth like „Sucessfully executed command <command>“. Or „Error executing command <command>: <error>“ in case of an error.

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