ejabberd - Saturday, May 9, 2026

[06:46:54] <punch> Hello, updated from 25.08 to 26.04 and lost all contacts and muc rooms for all users. Sqlite emptied by upgrade process. Update_sql_scheme: true in yml. And did update by simply pulling newest docker container. Didnt change anything in conf. I did something wrong or its a bug?

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[07:56:06] <stratself> vahrein: you need the ntfy app to work with the ntfy server. You'll need the Conversation app (or its forks) to work with mod_unified_push of your XMPP server. They're technically different systems used to transport push for *other apps*, not for its own app
[07:56:30] <stratself> > I understand, but I'm wondering if Push Conversation gets blocked in my country (which is what happens with Matrix Synapse), can I use another Push? I don't understand the AI part..
can i ask what happened with synapse in your country?

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[13:13:42] <vahrein> > vahrein: you need the ntfy app to work with the ntfy server. You'll need the Conversation app (or its forks) to work with mod_unified_push of your XMPP server. They're technically different systems used to transport push for *other apps*, not for its own app
yes, I already understood that, they are different, and that you need to set up the push server for conversation separately

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[13:15:51] <vahrein> >> I understand, but I'm wondering if Push Conversation gets blocked in my country (which is what happens with Matrix Synapse), can I use another Push? I don't understand the AI part..
>
> can i ask what happened with synapse in your country?
many push servers such as Google and Apple were blocked for some time and push did not come, I used my ntfy server

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[13:17:41] <vahrein> also the main ntfy server is also blocked, while you can use ntfy servers in Europe or raise your

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[13:52:49] <stratself> >> vahrein: you need the ntfy app to work with the ntfy server. You'll need the Conversation app (or its forks) to work with mod_unified_push of your XMPP server. They're technically different systems used to transport push for *other apps*, not for its own app
> yes, I already understood that, they are different, and that you need to set up the push server for conversation separately
alternatively you can use the default push server at up.conversations.im, but if you're blocked then yeah, selfhosting is the way to go
[13:53:47] <stratself> > also the main ntfy server is also blocked, while you can use ntfy servers in Europe or raise your
by the way, ntfy.sh isn't reliable because it implements lots of ratelimits especially for matrix users

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[14:16:55] <svp> > Is it possible to use other push providers https://unifiedpush.org/ for conversation or other clients? For example, I have my own NTFY server.
no, ntfy and conversations use different and incompatible methods to get notification requests, on conversations the unifiedpush messages go through xmpp and not the opposite, too

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[14:17:41] <svp> unifiedpush over xmpp needs a xmpp server addon, just like you need a server for ntfy
[14:18:35] <svp> you can't mix and match the two is what im saying

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[14:36:54] <Licaon_Kter> stratself:
> and that you need to set up the push server for conversation separately
Conversations does not NEED a push server, and the only one that can be used is the Google one for the Play version of Conversations

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[14:42:33] <stratself> wrong ping :)

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[14:44:01] <Licaon_Kter> vahrein:
> and that you need to set up the push server for conversation separately
Conversations does not NEED a push server, and the only one that can be used is the Google one for the Play version of Conversations
[14:44:05] <Licaon_Kter> True :)

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[15:49:28] <vahrein> https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/mod_unified_push (I believe you), but I've read various sources and understand that, on the one hand, conversation is UnifiedPush itself, on the other, why would it need up.conversations.im? So, I get it, but I don't understand anything. I understand one thing: ntfy isn't suitable, and the rest should stay as is.

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[15:53:25] <Licaon_Kter> vahrein: up.conversations.im is one UP server, for those that don't have one.
You can use your own server with the proper module.

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[15:56:03] <vahrein> That's right, as I understand it, it's worth installing this module separately https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/mod_unified_push, since it's not included in the standard ones.

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[16:12:41] <stratself> > https://github.com/processone/ejabberd-contrib/tree/master/mod_unified_push (I believe you), but I've read various sources and understand that, on the one hand, conversation is UnifiedPush itself, on the other, why would it need up.conversations.im? So, I get it, but I don't understand anything. I understand one thing: ntfy isn't suitable, and the rest should stay as is.
up.conversations.im is essentially mod_unified_push, but provided as a public services
these services are called "UnifiedPush rewrite proxy" that turn HTTP POST requests (from your application server) to XMPP messages for use with your client
https://unifiedpush.org/users/distributors/conversations/#self-host-optional

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[16:16:43] <stratself> IME, mod_unified_push isn't mature enough for real usage yet. But you can play around with it

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