ejabberd - Thursday, July 9, 2026

[05:20:49] <zeank> https://gabriel.havfruefestning.com/@sylvie/statuses/01KX2G2MP1VHB7EHSQGM395AP4
Not sure how controversial this is, but could we put an official statement out there, that ejabberd will not make use of any AI/LLM tooling whatsoever? I think there’ve been informal statements made like this here in the channel, probably by Mickaël himself.

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[05:42:56] <Licaon_Kter> Lol, not sure they'll lie
Fluux is the literal cat out of the LLM bag

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[05:56:01] <Mickaël> Yes, we have no plan to use LLM with ejabberd

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[06:11:34] <Licaon_Kter> ...so far.

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[07:14:01] <Mickaël> Well, why would we do so ? We do not need LLM to développement ejabberd. I thought that we had proved it ;)

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[07:19:41] <svp> i wouldnt mind a more official statement to point to in case doubt arises

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[07:28:24] <Licaon_Kter> Mickaël: maybe don't promise things future you might reconsider

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[08:27:41] <Mickaël> In old times, when I started coding on free software, FUD was spread by Microsoft, Oracle and such.

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[08:45:18] <Holger> LLMs aren't that good at Erlang 😂

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[08:45:39] <Holger> But I'd guess it will become hard to draw the line. There's a world between "I never touch an LLM while `vi mod_foo.erl` is open" and "no idea how my code looks like, was generated by Claude".

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[08:59:21] <Kris> > Yes, we have no plan to use LLM with ejabberd
👍

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[09:04:16] <dwd> Holger, FWIW, I've had reasonable success with Claude+Erlang. Which is helpful, because as you're aware, my Erlang capability is very close to read-only.

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[09:11:35] <zeank> Well, there are aspects to the use of LLMs that go beyond the bare question whether or not it can provide value. Just saying, not like I want to have that debate now.

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[10:23:50] <zoidberg> idk, for me such statements = i will never catch an uber in my life and i promise to use Taxi forever.

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[10:24:56] <zoidberg> but i understand that there is a lot of valid concerns about job losses and other aspects that can not be as beneficial to humans.
[10:25:12] <zoidberg> but hey is a machine guy beneficial for humans?
[10:25:35] <zoidberg> depends on which side of it we are i suppose.
[10:26:01] <zoidberg> *machine GUN*

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[11:05:06] <Holger> > but i understand that there is a lot of valid concerns about job losses and other aspects that can not be as beneficial to humans.
Reduced workload ending up being a problem rather than great progress is one of those absurdisms of capitalism.

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[11:11:03] <Holger> So IMO that social issue is entirely different from the issue of LLM resource usage, which is technical.
Then again, it's the market that makes it hard to solve the energy thing in sane ways. In the end, no matter the question, the solution is always to ditch capitalism. Simple!

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[11:12:36] <dwd> > > but i understand that there is a lot of valid concerns about job losses and other aspects that can not be as beneficial to humans.
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> Reduced workload ending up being a problem rather than great progress is one of those absurdisms of capitalism.
Although economists refer to this as the Luddite Fallacy. Technological unemployment doesn't result in structural unemployment, though the benefits aren't evenly spread of course.
[11:12:46] <zeank> You're taking a lot of assumptions about the usefullness of LLMs that just aren't there. Not if you look at the bigger picture.

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[11:17:08] <Holger> dwd: Yes the issue is short/medium term, not long-term.

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[11:19:04] <Licaon_Kter> > Reduced workload ending up being a problem rather than great progress is one of those absurdisms of capitalism.
"Your position is no longer available due to workload reduction"
Sounds good...

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[11:19:45] <Licaon_Kter> Also, "something something means of production"

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[11:20:17] <dwd> Yes, the bit of Marxism I quite like.

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[11:32:23] <Holger> Licaon_Kter: Wasn't saying it's not an issue, just pointing at the culprit!
[11:33:44] <Holger> One Marxism spam per year is acceptable here, I hope 🙂

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[12:38:10] <zeank> Mickaël, I looked into the possibilty to create invites for other vhosts on the server other than the current user's ... i.e. issuing an ad-hoc command on another vhost, not your own. Unfortunately the idea that the host for the invite and the issuing account's host (the inviter) is backed to deeply into the system at the moment as it would be an easy, trivial change.

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[12:40:30] <zeank> But I noticed, there is 'api-commands/generate_invite' for instance, which at least should work for admins (or whatever access rule you define)

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[12:43:19] <zeank> Haven't seen this before, is this a feature that was introduced recently?

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[12:45:28] <zeank> nvm, I suppose that's just `mod_adhoc_api` that I don't have active on my server, but on my dev server

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[13:49:29] <raver> > So IMO that social issue is entirely different from the issue of LLM resource usage, which is technical.
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[14:54:44] <Mickaël> This is a nice handy module indeed

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[15:27:22] <zeank> I wonder if prosody allows issuing commands against other vhosts 🤔

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