ejabberd - Saturday, August 22, 2026

[04:03:30] <zoidberg> AFAIK no, but you know about the 3 licaon commandments right?
[04:03:55] <zoidberg> On cron or mod cron you can achieve the desired objective.

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[04:05:31] <zoidberg> > `ejabberdctl --no-timeout delete_old_mam_messages all XX`
>
> then
> `ejabberdctl delete_old_messages XX`
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> (Where XX is days)
>
> then
> `ejabberdctl delete_expired_messages`

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[04:08:24] <Nigel> ah yeah okay, cron it is then, thank you zoidberg

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[04:18:51] <shodan> Hello, what is the normal way to clear old messages from the Mnesia MAM before it grows over 2GB and becomes corrupted ?

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[04:20:13] <shodan> Ah the history just loaded, so you were talking about that.
[04:20:35] <shodan> So it has to be scripted externally
run at a specific interval to delete message above a certain age ?

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[04:21:23] <shodan> Because the limit isn't time but space
You could potentially blow up the 2gb limit in one day
or you could have 100MB in 30 days and delete messages for no reason
if you just delete messages from XX days
[04:21:44] <shodan> I think it should be that before reaching the size limit/

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[04:22:12] <shodan> instead is should delete the oldest messages so that space utilization does not exceed the 2GB auto-mam-corruption limit

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[04:23:04] <shodan> and that should be the default
so that 4 years after installation, the server doesn't start silently dropping messages because the mam is broken and all the few users that joined the server are now angry at me

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[04:23:37] <shodan> because their message got lost (shown only on the last active device)
and now they missed the important message from their other friend
[04:24:38] <shodan> Anyway I made a script to address this after spending many days trying to find out why my server was flake

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[04:25:05] <shodan> https://upload02.xabber.org/bb78cd1251fcb00e12f2163c35e05ef639ee9ca7/54AzE3sf/mam-guard-eyZcy-NOTU-VhWBGJ2nrfg_8822dfab0e08ae1afe0a90e2d6c7547b13af5d09.zip

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[04:25:31] <shodan> I really wish these filename would stop adding meaningless characters too but one problem at a time

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[04:26:27] <shodan> Also BTW, I couldn't join this server with my regular xmpp account
I had to find another server and create an account there
before I could come here to share my script with you
[04:26:54] <shodan> When I tried to join I got this very informative and usefull error message

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[04:27:01] <shodan> https://upload02.xabber.org/bb78cd1251fcb00e12f2163c35e05ef639ee9ca7/9bPbvTKA/579b8548-63d5-4ddd-8a66-f6ba1856b6ce.png

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[04:27:37] <shodan> Does posting files work ? Anyway there should have been an image of a cryptic and useless error message if you can't see it

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[04:30:37] <Nigel> I see it.

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[04:31:57] <Nigel> check logs when trying to connect for hopefully more details. `journalctl -fu ejabberd` for example

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[04:35:25] <Nigel> oh hah, to answer your initial question, for 28 day retention I just set up a script:
```
/opt/scripts/ejabberd_delete_old.sh
#!/bin/bash
set -euo pipefail
ejabberdctl --no-timeout delete_old_mam_messages all 28
ejabberdctl delete_old_messages 28
ejabberdctl delete_expired_messages
```
then edit crontab `crontab -e` and added the line to have it run each day at 1500 server time which is after midnight locally here.
```
0 15 * * * /opt/scripts/ejabberd_delete_old.sh
```
Hopefully this help.

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[04:36:30] <Nigel> don't forget to `chmod +x /opt/scripts/ejabberd_delete_old.sh` so it can actually run.
I manually ran each command first as a test.

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[04:44:31] <shodan> ok thanks, that will work with the caveats I noted above

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[04:45:32] <shodan> when I ran the journalctl command above, I discovered when I wipe the corrupted mam, the ejabber process became disconnected from systemd
so the only log is hundreds of pages of
```
Aug 22 00:41:48 chat.domn.net systemd[1]: ejabberd.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
Aug 22 00:41:48 chat.domn.net systemd[1]: Failed to start A distributed, fault-tolerant Jabber/XMPP server.
Aug 22 00:41:54 chat.domn.net systemd[1]: ejabberd.service: Scheduled restart job, restart counter is at 24586.
Aug 22 00:41:54 chat.domn.net systemd[1]: Stopped A distributed, fault-tolerant Jabber/XMPP server.
Aug 22 00:41:54 chat.domn.net systemd[1]: Starting A distributed, fault-tolerant Jabber/XMPP server...
Aug 22 00:41:54 chat.domn.net sh[3101173]: ERROR: The ejabberd node 'ejabberd@localhost' is already running.
Aug 22 00:41:54 chat.domn.net systemd[1]: ejabberd.service: Control process exited, code=exited, status=4/NOPERMISSION
```
[04:46:13] <shodan> which I managed to solve with
```
systemctl stop ejabberd
sysystemctl reset-failed ejabberd
```
That didn't even trip the running server, neat

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[04:47:40] <Nigel> I have been informed by people smarter than I, that I should be using a systemd timer instead of cron, as Debian apparently doesn't have cron by default now? 🤷

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[04:48:35] <Nigel> `journalctl -xeu ejabberd` will show errors

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[04:49:44] <shodan> > `journalctl -xeu ejabberd` will show errors
Ah thanks, however my log is fully overflowed with the systemd restart errors so I can't see what the error used to be.
[04:49:54] <shodan> I have deleted the mam so the issue is currently resolved

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[04:50:12] <shodan> Now I'm trying to make it not happen again

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[04:50:40] <shodan> The issue with "delete 28 days old messages" is that doesn't account for the problem where 2GB of data accumulates inside of 28 days, and once corrupted the mnesia mam file becomes unrecoverable apparently

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[04:51:12] <Nigel> I would... use sqlite
[04:51:14] <shodan> I can't tell for sure now with the mam file deleted, maybe it would have been possible to just delete those messages

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[04:51:28] <shodan> I think mnesia mam already uses sqlite
[04:51:44] <shodan> I don't know where the 2GB limit comes from. But it's the default mam system

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[04:52:22] <Nigel> for like, the default db. then mam and everything uses it, and there's no hard limit like mnesia

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[04:54:52] <shodan> yes but I'm weary to change stuff on this old server and get into some kind of downward spiral of breakage

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[04:55:39] <shodan> https://upload02.xabber.org/bb78cd1251fcb00e12f2163c35e05ef639ee9ca7/O4Tpo97k/f5fc8a53-7ad6-4fa5-a6aa-da5d55f00721.png
[04:55:45] <shodan> It's been a while since the last update lol

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[12:28:38] <Nigel> mod_invites roster invites are allowing account creation with IBR when it seems they should not be 🤔

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[12:35:49] <Kris> Isn't that their purpose?

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[12:36:54] <Nigel> Nope

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[12:37:30] <Nigel> Thays what create_account_invites are for

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[12:37:52] <Nigel> Thats what create_account_invites are for

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[12:39:10] <Nigel> Roster invites are to add each other as contacts. I found the xep earlier but don't have the number handy now.

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[12:48:17] <Kris> Yeah, but I think roster invites are supposed to optionally also allow registration in case the invited person doesn't have an xmpp account yet.

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[19:19:00] <ksa> Guys, can there be a common invite link for an ejabberd server? That way I won't have to generate a new invite link every time I want someone to sign up.

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[19:28:42] <svp> what do you mean exactly

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[19:35:03] <Kris> I don't think reusable invite links are supported right now.

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[19:36:55] <ksa> > what do you mean exactly
Like, I put up an invite link on my website. And people click that after downloading an XMPP client. This allows them to instantly create an account on my server.

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[19:37:58] <ksa> without a permanent invite link, i gotta mess around with databases and then link the frontend with the backend. Very messy.

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[19:57:25] <Kris> you can generate invites from the ejabberd webinterface now I think
[19:57:59] <Kris> there might be a way to do it via the rest api

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[20:08:21] <svp> at that point what difference would there be from having registrations open though

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[20:11:40] <ksa> > at that point what difference would there be from having registrations open though
This method would be a lot easier for brain dead normies. From my experience, they can't even be bothered to enter my server domain when creating their account.
And before that, The only good free XMPP client on Play Store (Snikket) doesn't support IBR. F Droid is taking a hit in September from Google restrictions.

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