ejabberd - Friday, September 18, 2026

[11:12:29] <muppeth > Hi there.
I have another question regarding the migration script from prosody. I see that lots of data is missing after the migration and I was wondering if it's something I'm doing wrong or it's the limitation of the migration. I see there is muc bookmarks (as in your account will not auto join rooms it was participating in on prosody), block lists are nor migrated, nor avatars or muc avatar. Is that expected? is the list of things that can be migrated from prosody somewhere documented?

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[11:24:21] <Kris> Hmm, as for bookmarks, maybe the script doesn't support the newer 402 pep native ones?

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[11:25:02] <Kris> That is a relatively recent addition in ejabberd that came after the migration script was likely written.

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[12:16:16] <Holger> Isn't that just plain PEP from the server's point of view?

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[12:16:34] <Holger> I think the script does import PEP.

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[12:16:41] <Holger> Or at least did so in the past.

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[12:17:23] <Holger> Maybe it hasn't been tested in a while, no idea whether the Prosody format changed.

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[12:47:39] <moparisthebest> >> Nigel: gajim right ? it had that bug for awhile, best part is anything you send to prosody mucs will cause all ejabberd users to be kicked constantly
> How does that work? Because ejabberd sends back an error and prosody's muc just kicks the sender of the error message?
zeank: iirc ejabberd closes the s2s stream with a violation

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[13:02:30] <muppeth > Holger: ok. So in theory it should import. I will check again to make sure its not PEBKAC and otherwise also poke prosody folks about it.

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[13:03:13] <Holger> To be fair it's probably our problem, not theirs, if they change their format 🙂

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[13:03:43] <zeank> > zeank: iirc ejabberd closes the s2s stream with a violation
😳

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[13:36:42] <Nigel> I believe its something along the lines of this result https://op-co.de/blog/posts/emoji_xmpp_address/#index10h3

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[16:57:03] <stratself> hmm i should ask here
does ejabberd have a way to connect to 5270 before 5269 if no SRV records are found?
[16:57:32] <stratself> furthermore, is there a way to tune ejabberd's retry logic so it doesn't hammer my dns server too much?

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[17:08:32] <Kris> 5269 is standard and will work without SRV records afaik. same with 5222 for c2s

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[17:09:14] <Kris> the other ports are mere conventions afaik and probably need SRV records
[17:09:37] <zoidberg> 5270 works without SRV records too
[17:09:52] <zoidberg> But the preference think i am not sure

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[17:10:56] <zoidberg> And hammer the DNS?

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[17:11:31] <zoidberg> I've heard they can handle 50 queries per second(on the poor people side).

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[17:16:58] <zoidberg> it depends who will initiate the connection i guess?
[17:17:44] <zoidberg> If your server have only the 5270 it will probably initiate advertising it for the other server?

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[17:18:59] <zoidberg> However if from the other side, it will also depend on the other server software preference i think. Not long ago 5269 was the preferred, maybe still is a 5269 first thing.

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[17:20:21] <Holger> zoidberg: I don't see how 5270 would work without SRV.

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[17:20:50] <zoidberg> Really? I pretty sure i did run only 5270 on openfire for years
[17:20:58] <zoidberg> No 5269 available

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[17:21:23] <Holger> The XMPP RFC says "if the SRV lookup fails, try STARTTLS on 5269". End of story.

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[17:22:05] <Holger> XEP-0368 specifies direct TLS as alternative to STARTTLS. But it doesn't mention a port, just SRV.

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[17:23:05] <Holger> I can't 100 % rule out some servers will blindly try direct TLS on 5270 but that would be very weird (why that port?).
[17:23:26] <zoidberg> why not? Only 2 defaults?

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[17:23:38] <Holger> Why not port 1234?
[17:23:44] <zoidberg> not default
[17:23:45] <Holger> There's no spec that mentions 5270.
[17:23:48] <zoidberg> 😀

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[17:24:03] <Holger> 5270 is in no way a 'default' either.
[17:24:30] <zoidberg> just coincidence that all servers use that as dtls default port?
[17:24:39] <Holger> "All"?
[17:24:46] <zoidberg> I only used 2

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[17:25:02] <Holger> Maybe some admins think "let's go 5269 + 1" but there's certainly many servers using other ports.
[17:25:21] <zoidberg> ejabberd use 5270 as default right?

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[17:25:30] <Holger> No.

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[17:25:35] <zoidberg> no?
[17:25:44] <Holger> The example config doesn't even enable direct TLS for s2s.
[17:26:17] <Holger> conversations.im uses 5269 (on another IP address), FWIW.

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[17:26:28] <zoidberg> Oh crap, maybe my memory is failing me.

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[17:26:30] <svp> > Maybe some admins think "let's go 5269 + 1" but there's certainly many servers using other ports.
wouldnt be unreasonable considering the example of 5222 and 5223
[17:26:36] <Holger> ```
$ host -t srv _xmpps-server._tcp.conversations.im
_xmpps-server._tcp.conversations.im has SRV record 1 0 5269 xmpps.conversations.im.
```
[17:26:54] <Holger> svp: 5223 is in no way a 'default' either :-)

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[17:27:45] <Holger> svp: But yes if the RFC would be rewritten today (and there's actually ideas floating around to do just that), then it would probably be reasonable to add a direct TLS fallback.

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[17:28:14] <svp> have i been lied to, have i slipped into some parallel reality where this isnt the case

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[17:29:18] <Holger> Well same thing, some admins just go 5222++. Many others do 443 instead though, to circumvent restrictive firewalls. (And 443 is probably meh to be mentioned as a fallback in an RFC.)

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[17:31:02] <Holger> XEP-0368 does mention 443 (only). moparisthebest == 443.

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[17:31:47] <zoidberg> I agree with svp about the parallel reality.

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[17:32:31] <zoidberg> for me 5270/5223 was the official default for DTLS

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[17:33:25] <Holger> 5223 is at least used in our ejabberd.yml.example :-)

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[17:33:36] <zoidberg> And i think i did use for years without records, but i might be wrong. As of today i have the records and run on custom ports so...

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[17:34:06] <zoidberg> That being said i am not worried about the DNS guys.

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[17:34:52] <zoidberg> They just raised my domain price to double. i should be doubling the queries.

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[17:35:49] <Holger> I think 5223 was quite popular as a TLS thing in the 2000s, long before XEP-0368 existed, without any spec. Can't rule out Psi or friends tried that blindly, seems at least more realistic vs. servers blindly trying 5270.

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[17:36:07] <Holger> But I think the common case was that you documented for your users how to configure that manually in their client.

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[17:36:41] <Holger> Back in those days, users actually were able to configure stuff.

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[17:37:53] <Holger> Seems that didn't do you any damage.

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[17:39:01] <zoidberg> only some PTSD and bad memory it seems 🙂

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[17:53:28] <zoidberg> Its kind of weird though that these days DTLS is the prefered method, and we only have defaults for STARTTLS

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[17:58:23] <Holger> Updating RFCs is not exactly a process with lots of pace :-)

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[18:03:55] <Holger> We had that unofficial direct-TLS-on-5223 thing in, dunno, 2001? Later, STARTTLS was the new shit because port numbers seemed scarce and expensive, or something. At that time, the current RFCs were written. Even later, STARTTLS was the old shit. Everyone switched to HTTPS on 443, the remaining 65534 ports turned out to be unusable.

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[18:03:58] <Holger> Story of the Internet.

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[18:04:20] <Kris> I think the example for Prosody uses 5223/5270, but yeah, not standard at all.

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[18:04:31] <Kris> I think the official example for Prosody uses 5223/5270, but yeah, not standard at all.

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[19:53:54] <moparisthebest> > XEP-0368 does mention 443 (only). moparisthebest == 443.
I advise all code to hardcode a 443 direct-tls fallback port, but they won't let me put it in the XEP :P

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[19:59:36] <stratself> just did a quick skim since my last msg. so this 5270 isn't a spec anywhere?

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[20:00:53] <stratself> it might be far fetched but i feel like the 5269-starttls default should be deprecated, maybe in that new xmpp2.0 plan for the RFCs. it's 2026 after all and i'm not sure if there's any reason to fallback to such a case when direct tls is widely employed

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[20:01:55] <stratself> anyways, so there's no way for ejabberd to break spec a little and fall back to 5270-direct tls? okay :/

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[20:07:05] <Holger> Nope.

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[20:07:29] <moparisthebest> no 5270 isn't a spec any why would you want it to be ? it has no advantages compared to 443

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[20:08:19] <moparisthebest> no 5270 isn't a spec but why would you want it to be ? it has no advantages compared to 443 which does
[20:08:54] <stratself> well then 443 has minimal advantage compared to 5269 if we're talking strictly xmpp

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[20:09:20] <Holger> stratself: What's the use case? You're dealing with servers that have trouble using DNS?

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[20:09:47] <stratself> but anyways, _any_ port could be fine

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[20:10:14] <Holger> I'd kinda see the point for c2s, with Tor and crappy consumer routers killing SRV.  But servers?
[20:10:20] <moparisthebest> > well then 443 has minimal advantage compared to 5269 if we're talking strictly xmpp
huge advantage since many bad networks in the wild block everything except 443
[20:10:33] <Holger> >> well then 443 has minimal advantage compared to 5269 if we're talking strictly xmpp
>
> huge advantage since many bad networks in the wild block everything except 443
We're talking s2s tho.
[20:11:07] <moparisthebest> we gotta get out of the "servers only run in datacenters with reliable power and network" mindset
[20:11:28] <stratself> > I'd kinda see the point for c2s, with Tor and crappy consumer routers killing SRV.  But servers?
imo servers will want to connect even in restrictive cases. i do like 443 in that anti-blockage regard. and yeah maybe Tor can help too, idk
[20:11:38] <stratself> > I'd kinda see the point for c2s, with Tor and crappy consumer routers killing SRV.  But servers?
imo servers will want to connect even in restrictive cases. i do like 443 in that anti-blockage regard. and yeah maybe it can help Tor too, idk
[20:11:41] <moparisthebest> it's never been true, it's soon to be way less true as we dial up the decentralization
[20:12:10] <Holger> moparisthebest: If they run on a Pi in a hotel WiFi they will have fun multiplexing s2s and c2s on 443.

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[20:12:26] <Holger> Not sure you'd want to standardize that fun.
[20:12:34] <moparisthebest> that's trivial and they absolutely should all do that yes

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[20:12:42] <Holger> That's not trivial.
[20:12:56] <stratself> in fact, maybe i'd wanna rephrase a bit, is there a way to make something like `outgoing_s2s_protocol: direct_tls`, like how there currently is `outgoing_s2s_port: 5270`?

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[20:13:15] <stratself> in fact, maybe i'd wanna rephrase a bit, is there a way to make something like `outgoing_s2s_protocol: direct_tls`, like how there currently is `outgoing_s2s_port: 5269`?
[20:13:40] <Holger> You'd need to rely on ALPN or the server decrypting before routing the traffic or whatever hacks.
[20:13:42] <stratself> maybe make it so that it first fall back to direct, and then starttls, i'm not sure
[20:13:57] <moparisthebest> http upload, turn, c2s, s2s should all run on the same port, it's trivial nowadays with sslh and no reason at all that XMPP servers can't implement it themselves either

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[20:14:17] <moparisthebest> alpn isn't a hack it's specifically designed for this use-case

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[20:14:34] <stratself> alpn is still quite optional imo, but sure
[20:14:46] <Holger> moparisthebest: sslh works if the TLS client sends alpn yes. It's not trivial no.
[20:15:01] <Holger> TURN clients don't do that for example.
[20:15:04] <stratself> same with ECH and all that jazz, it's pretty optional
[20:15:12] <Holger> I doubt XMPP servers do that.
[20:15:16] <Holger> It's a mess.
[20:15:19] <Holger> But whatever.
[20:15:30] <moparisthebest> alpn is well established and supported everywhere now, which wasn't the case a decade ago when '368 was written

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[20:15:34] <stratself> > I doubt XMPP servers do that.
does ejabberd send the alpn by the way?

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[20:16:09] <Holger> moparisthebest: Simply not true.
[20:16:12] <moparisthebest> ECH is still brand new but soon™️ will be used in XMPP

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[20:17:44] <moparisthebest> Holger: where isn't alpn supported ? I can't think of any tls lib that hasn't for near a decade
[20:18:24] <stratself> well connect.xmpp.net still report my dtls as nonfunctional because it never bothered sending the alpn
[20:18:33] <stratself> well connect.xmpp.net still reports my dtls as nonfunctional because it never bothered sending the alpn
[20:18:43] <moparisthebest> but XMPP servers don't even need it for s2s/c2s, just look at stream open tag

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[20:18:57] <stratself> so idk unless there's a better testing site i'll assume it's still the industry standard to not send anything

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[20:19:41] <stratself> stream open tag? that works with dtls?
[20:19:48] <moparisthebest> > well connect.xmpp.net still reports my dtls as nonfunctional because it never bothered sending the alpn
stratself: yea that's not been maintained in a decade so

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[20:20:08] <stratself> > stratself: yea that's not been maintained in a decade so
sad. any alternatives?

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[20:21:23] <moparisthebest> I don't think any web XMPP scanners have, connect with conversations and click "server details" , or use that command line tool...

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[20:21:59] <moparisthebest> here: https://salsa.debian.org/mdosch/xmpp-dns

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[20:22:52] <stratself> thanks, didnt know it test connection as well

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[20:23:29] <Holger> stratself:
> Holger: where isn't alpn supported ? I can't think of any tls lib that hasn't for near a decade
From the top of my head,
libwebrtc (the number 1 TURN client I guess?), ejabberd s2s.

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[20:24:58] <Holger> stratself: What problem are you trying to solve?

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[20:25:20] <Holger> Running s2s in a hotel WiFi?

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[20:26:41] <stratself> to be frank, yes. i'd like to multiplex xmpps and https on the same port

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[20:27:17] <Holger> stratself: I mean why doesn't SRV work for you.
[20:27:23] <stratself> and not offer a fallback starttls on 5269 or some other port via SRV records

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[20:27:39] <Holger> XMPPS vs. HTTPS is easy because HTTPS clients set alpn indeed.
[20:28:13] <stratself> well but then there's also TURNS. So all but one of them has to send an ALPN, if i'm not wrong
[20:28:39] <Holger> > and not offer a fallback starttls on 5269 or some other port via SRV records
Older servers won't be able to talk to you but if you're fine with that, just don't offer STARTTLS?

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[20:29:17] <Holger> stratself: You could give TURN a different host name to multiplex via SNI.
[20:29:22] <stratself> > > and not offer a fallback starttls on 5269 or some other port via SRV records
>
> Older servers won't be able to talk to you but if you're fine with that, just don't offer STARTTLS?
ah, i mean don't offer DTLS either on any other port. so i guess it's the same case with mopar
[20:29:38] <stratself> > stratself: You could give TURN a different host name to multiplex via SNI.
hmm, right. maybe that'd be better.
[20:29:53] <Holger> stratself: You started by asking whether it works without srv, no?
[20:30:02] <Holger> I'm asking why SRV won't work for you.

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[20:30:22] <stratself> ah,

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[20:31:24] <stratself> it's more of a preference for me doing outbound connections to connect with direct tls first, and fall back to starttls later. but from the conversation it seems like there's not a lot of benefits to doing that (?)

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[20:32:41] <Holger> > it's more of a preference for me doing outbound connections to connect with direct tls first, and fall back to starttls later. but from the conversation it seems like there's not a lot of benefits to doing that (?)
Maybe I misunderstood the entire discussion. This wasn't about a fallback to some port (5270) but about telling ejabberd to prefer XMPPS for outbound no matter the remote's SRV config?

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[20:33:46] <stratself> no, i'm saying is. If the remote doesn't have a SRV, try to connect to `outgoing_s2s_port` with the direct tls protocol

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[20:41:39] <moparisthebest> > stratself:
>> Holger: where isn't alpn supported ? I can't think of any tls lib that hasn't for near a decade
>
> From the top of my head,
> libwebrtc (the number 1 TURN client I guess?), ejabberd s2s.
it's been awhile but last time I looked libwebrtc didn't try turn-over-tls at all, does it now ? regardless you can multiplex that using SNI right?

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[20:42:54] <Holger> moparisthebest: libwebrtc does support TURNS.
[20:43:08] <moparisthebest> > to be frank, yes. i'd like to multiplex xmpps and https on the same port
stratself: ez, see https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368#sslh for only 4 different ways

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[20:43:09] <Holger> Yes you can use SNI there, as I said above.
[20:43:23] <moparisthebest> > moparisthebest: libwebrtc does support TURNS.
🎉

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[20:43:36] <Holger> I just wouldn't call this hacky mess "simple".

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[20:45:27] <moparisthebest> awesome thanks ! and looks like eturnal supports it too ! I need to look at my turn setup again... don't think I've touched it since first setup in 2020 :/

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[20:46:10] <stratself> > stratself: ez, see https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Tech_pages/XEP-0368#sslh for only 4 different ways
i'll try updating the caddy-l4 example accordingly, thanks
[20:46:11] <Holger> I think at least the Nginx example on the wiki pretends that TURN clients would do ALPN.

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[20:47:16] <Holger> moparisthebest: TURNS is an ancient thing actually 😃 Back in the days when real credentials were used, TLS was the way to protect them.

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[20:48:23] <moparisthebest> am I misremembering or the Conversations client didn't do TURNS originally in 2020 ?
[20:48:23] <Holger> These days you'd offer TURNS on 443 for the hotel WiFi, but only as a fallback. You want your call via UDP whenever possible.

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[20:48:43] <Holger> moparisthebest: I don't remember, I thought it always did but I'm not sure.
[20:49:01] <Holger> There was foo with certificate validation.
[20:49:22] <Holger> libwebrtc only accepted a short, hard-coded list of root CAs.
[20:49:39] <Holger> Once Daniel understood that, he disabled validation.

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[20:50:11] <stratself> oh damn. so that's why calls work with letsencrypt certs?
[20:50:47] <stratself> oh damn. so that's why calls on the conversations clients work with letsencrypt certs?

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[20:51:17] <moparisthebest> I'm at least pretty sure when I set it up there was something that was like "turns probably won't wor anyway" but hell if I remember, and it's worked so well since I never looked back
[20:51:27] <stratself> i remember one has to use zerossl for some reason

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[20:51:32] <Holger> stratself: My story is many years old, it's all fine now.
[20:51:54] <moparisthebest> coturn continues to make me nervous though, would much prefer eturnal now

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[20:52:37] <stratself> thanks for the eturnal update, btw
[20:52:48] <Holger> moparisthebest: TURN is still a protocol that assumes the datacenter by the way, since there's no way to talk TLS/443 to the peer's client (or the peer's TURN server).
[20:53:32] <moparisthebest> > moparisthebest: TURN is still a protocol that assumes the datacenter by the way, since there's no way to talk TLS/443 to the peer's client (or the peer's TURN server).
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